Bogatyrev Leg Break @ ACA 191

[DougieJones]

As expected, medical personnel got to him right away...



EDIT:
uhhhh idk why the tweet isn't showing up... but here it is

 

[Boomb]

Why did I clicked that, smh…

 

[Cheese_&_mma_lover]

that's gross

 

[Ara tech]

I always tell people, that in MMA or in a fight in general, do not kick with your shin but with your foot.

Unless you are an elite muay-thai figther with a titanium chin, you will most likely break your legs if you kick with your shin and if the opponent check.

Also, kicking with the foot and not the shin gives you more range, staying a bit safer out of punching ranger in case of counter, and against wrestlers who grabs and catch kicks, it is harder to takedown someone who kicks with his foot than with his shin, since he will kick from farther.

ALWAYS KICK WITH THE FOOT AND NOT THE SHIN, or risk break a leg.

Look at Tenshin Nasukawa's kicks, and you will understand.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I always tell people, that in MMA or in a fight in general, do not kick with your shin but with your foot.

Unless you are an elite muay-thai figther with a titanium chin, you will most likely break your legs if you kick with your shin and if the opponent check.

Also, kicking with the foot and not the shin gives you more range, staying a bit safer out of punching ranger in case of counter, and against wrestlers who grabs and catch kicks, it is harder to takedown someone who kicks with his foot than with his shin, since he will kick from farther.

ALWAYS KICK WITH THE FOOT AND NOT THE SHIN, or risk break a leg.

Look at Tenshin Nasukawa's kicks, and you will understand.

This is not good advice brother. There are loads of small and easy to break bones in your foot and you do way less damage to your opponent landing with your foot than you do with your shin.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Brutal one, this.

 

[Ara tech]

This is not good advice brother. There are loads of small and easy to break bones in your foot and you do way less damage to your opponent landing with your foot than you do with your shin.

With years training and conditionning, you would never break your foot. The perfect example would be some elite thai fighters, who has tough bones for that, kicking with shin or foot, with conditionning, it doesn't matter.



Unless you are an elite thai fighter who is used to run 5 miles everyday, hit hard bags with your shins 500 times a day, hit hard mitts and padds 500 a day with kicks, for years, I don't recommand kicking with your shin.



Yes you would do less damage with your foot than with your shin, but it is still better to kick with your foot than with your shin.

If your opponent check your kick with his leg, and if your shin is not of a thai elite fighter, it will likely break. Your foot can break as well, but what the fuck are you talking about ?

If you break your shin, your 3 years off without fighting, and 12 months without walking. Ending career injury. If you break your foot, you would be back in 3/6/9 months for sure.

If you throw a kick, you can meet a timed counter, if the impact is with your shin, you are closer to the opponent, but if the impact is made by your foot, you have that 10/15/20 CM advantages of your head being far away, which means that defensively you are farther and harder to reach.

Also, if a wrestler catch your shin, your hips are nearer than if you had kicked with your shin, which means it would be easier for him to take you down. It is also easier to grab a shin than a foot. And it is easier to limp leg with a foot than with a shin.

You can try it in sparring, and you will feel a huge difference. Just study the elite fighters of today kickboxing, yes there are different schools I understand your point, of having less power if you kick with your foot than if you kick with your shin, but still, if I was a trainer, I would always tell students to kick with their foot unless they want to risk a career ending injury, and it is simply more convenient for fighting.





Kicking with shin = More Damage, but less reach = More exposed to boxing counter & More exposed to takedown
Kicking with foot = Less Damage, but more reach = Less exposed to boxing counter since more far away, and less exposed to takedown since hips are farther away for the wrestler to grab

You don't have to believe me, you can try in sparring, and you will feel the difference. What are you suggesting ? To kick with the shin ? For an MMA fighter it's only risking an ending career injury. Really bad idea !

One of my friend was a left handed southpaw, he used to snip with the roundhouse with very great success by kicking with the foot. Another friend of mine was a right handed orthodox, and he used to calf kick a lot with the foot with also great success in sparring amateurs and pros.

I can also speak for myself.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

With years training and conditionning, you would never break your foot. The perfect example would be some elite thai fighters, who has tough bones for that.



Unless you are an elite thai fighter who is used to run 5 miles everyday, hit hard bags with your shins 500 times a day, hit hard mitts and padds 500 a day with kicks, for years, I don't recommand kicking with your shin.



Yes you would do less damage with your foot than with your shin, but it is still better to kick with your foot than with your shin.

If your opponent check yoru kick with his leg, and if your shin is not of a thai elite fighter, it will likely break. Your foot can break as well, but what the fuck are you talking about ?

If you break your shin, your 3 years off without fighting, and 12 months without walking. Ending career injury. If you break your foot, you would be back in 6/9 months for sure.

If you throw a kick, you can meet a timed counter, if the impact is with your shin, you are closer to the opponent, but if the impact is made by your foot, you have that 20 CM advantages of your head being far away, which means that defensively you are farther and harder to reach.

Also, if a wrestler catch your shin, your hips are nearer than if you had kicked with your shin, which means it would be easier for him to take you down. It is also easier to grab a shin than a foot. And it is easier to limp leg with a foot than with a shin.

You can try it in sparring, and you will feel a huge difference. Just study the elite fighters of today kickboxing, yes there are different schools I understand your point, of having less power if you kick with your foot than if you kick with your shin, but still, if I was a trainer, I would always tell students to kick with their foot unless they want to risk a career ending injury.





Kicking with shin = More Damage, but less reach = More exposed to boxing counter & More exposed to takedown
Kicking with foot = Less Damage, but more reach = Less exposed to boxing counter since more far away, and less exposed to takedown since hips are farther away for the wrestler to grab

You don't have to believe me, you can try in sparring, and you will feel the difference. What are you suggesting ? To kick with the shin ? For an MMA fighter it's only risking an ending career injury. Really bad idea !

One of my friend was a left handed southpaw, he used to snip with the roundhouse with very great success by kicking with the foot. Another friend of mine was a right handed orthodox, and he used to calf kick a lot with the foot with also great success in sparring amateurs and pros.

I think you're overestimating the injury risk. For the thousands and thousands of shin on shin contacts in the UFC how many seriously bad leg breaks have we seen? three or four?

 

[Ara tech]

I think you're overestimating the injury risk. For the thousands and thousands of shin on shin contacts in the UFC how many seriously bad leg breaks have we seen? three or four?

It depends on the fighter.

An MMA fighter who do not have developed shin could break his shin easily, why risk a career ending injury ? When it comes down to it it's a gambling.

If a fighter is good, he would prefer to only kick when his opponent is lead leg heavy or by making his opponent lead leg heavy, to prevent him from checking, that also reduce the risk of being check.

All I'm trying to say, if I was a trainer, and was making people fight in MMA, I would just avoid taking that risk.

Even if that risk of breaking one's legs did not exist, kicking with the foot is simply better. Watch the Nasukawa's video, and even more in MMA, due to takedown, the range is one step further than in kickboxing.

Kicking with the shin is like pulling guard when the opponent is standing, you can get a career ending injury with it, and it's not the best strategical choice proven by elite fighters in bouts.

Have a good day HelloWhosWHat.

 

[Thesnake101]

I think you're overestimating the injury risk. For the thousands and thousands of shin on shin contacts in the UFC how many seriously bad leg breaks have we seen? three or four?

Well people, fighters included, have whined about Oblique kicks being dirty/too dangerous for years now despite them only ever producing one stoppage in the UFC that I can recall (Rountree/Bukauskas).

Real culprit here is throwing full power leg kicks with no set-up though. Yeah MMA fighters are generally allergic to checking leg kicks but it only takes one well-schooled fighter to punish kicks like that, even if no breaks are produced.

I was cringing at how Kaue was whipping some of those leg kicks against Hardwick last saturday.

 

[Trabaho]

With years training and conditionning, you would never break your foot. The perfect example would be some elite thai fighters, who has tough bones for that, kicking with shin or foot, with conditionning, it doesn't matter.



Unless you are an elite thai fighter who is used to run 5 miles everyday, hit hard bags with your shins 500 times a day, hit hard mitts and padds 500 a day with kicks, for years, I don't recommand kicking with your shin.



Yes you would do less damage with your foot than with your shin, but it is still better to kick with your foot than with your shin.

If your opponent check your kick with his leg, and if your shin is not of a thai elite fighter, it will likely break. Your foot can break as well, but what the fuck are you talking about ?

If you break your shin, your 3 years off without fighting, and 12 months without walking. Ending career injury. If you break your foot, you would be back in 3/6/9 months for sure.

If you throw a kick, you can meet a timed counter, if the impact is with your shin, you are closer to the opponent, but if the impact is made by your foot, you have that 10/15/20 CM advantages of your head being far away, which means that defensively you are farther and harder to reach.

Also, if a wrestler catch your shin, your hips are nearer than if you had kicked with your shin, which means it would be easier for him to take you down. It is also easier to grab a shin than a foot. And it is easier to limp leg with a foot than with a shin.

You can try it in sparring, and you will feel a huge difference. Just study the elite fighters of today kickboxing, yes there are different schools I understand your point, of having less power if you kick with your foot than if you kick with your shin, but still, if I was a trainer, I would always tell students to kick with their foot unless they want to risk a career ending injury, and it is simply more convenient for fighting.





Kicking with shin = More Damage, but less reach = More exposed to boxing counter & More exposed to takedown
Kicking with foot = Less Damage, but more reach = Less exposed to boxing counter since more far away, and less exposed to takedown since hips are farther away for the wrestler to grab

You don't have to believe me, you can try in sparring, and you will feel the difference. What are you suggesting ? To kick with the shin ? For an MMA fighter it's only risking an ending career injury. Really bad idea !

One of my friend was a left handed southpaw, he used to snip with the roundhouse with very great success by kicking with the foot. Another friend of mine was a right handed orthodox, and he used to calf kick a lot with the foot with also great success in sparring amateurs and pros.

I can also speak for myself.

I´m a foot kicker or between foot and low shin. Foot = more reach, feels more accurate. Shin is almost half the distance as in half reach lost. Also while the shin is more massive the foot is longer and such more aceleration. My foot actually still hurts from last Thursday. But it´s not bad. Usually doesn´t happen. Got checked and I bet my shin guard "slipped". I screamed like a girl lol but kept going cause it didn´t swell or anything. I just felt it the next days. I still don´t kick with it. Did today but hurts, so just a few. I don´t got a opinion on what is better, both is good. People who say always shin kick, like do we watch the same sports. Tons of kicks land with the foot in all kicking inclusive fights, all the time, more than with the shins.