Bas Rutten Square Stance

[The_Hunter]

So just wondering why not many fighters use this technique. For those who don't know what i mean it's basically standing with your legs parallell no lead leg as such Vito Belfort and Krzysztof Soszynski. use this stance. There is also a little on it here MMA Madness

 

[Payak]

no lead leg,hope someone does not push you or your going down.
wont get much power behind any techniques with no lead leg.
why am i answering this question.

 

[The_Hunter]

no lead leg,hope someone does not push you or your going down.
wont get much power behind any techniques with no lead leg.
why am i answering this question.

Hence why i said there technically isn't a lead leg. There was no question you had to answer i was asking for opinions on it which i thank you for your input. Just because you don't have a traditional boxing stance doesn't mean you won't be getting power behind your punches often when you stand and trade with someone and i mean really stand and trade your not standing in the traditional stance you plant your feet and unload. Because Bas Rutten has no power in his punches. So i thank you for your highly informed input.

 

[Gabicho]

I don't know.
It's not like Bas (or Vitor or Krystof) fight completely squared off. They do have a lead leg, but not so far out or so "linear" as many other mma fighters.
In fact, i don't think Vitor uses that stance at all...

I think the biggest difference in Bas's stance, is not on the way he places his feet, but his hands. His feet obviously will transition from one position to another, depending on what he's doing punching, kicking, defending a takedown - but he pretty much alwyas seemed to keep his hands a bit lower and out.

From my understanding, he does that because it because it gives "weird angles" to his punches and makes them harder to see coming, avoid, or block. And by keeping his hands lower, he can defend takedowns better (your hands are closer to defend your legs/get underhooks, etc).
Fedor used his hands on a lower stance than usual against Nogueira in their third fight, to avoid the takedowns, but his footwork was the usual.

 

[Payak]

i didnt say boxers are the only people who have power in there punches,i said no lead leg will give you no power.
dont make me repeat shit im not a parrot.

 

[The_Hunter]

i didnt say boxers are the only people who have power in there punches,i said no lead leg will give you no power.
dont make me repeat shit im not a parrot.

Well your wrong dude, i''ve been boxing for 2 years and to say that no lead leg will give you "No Power" is crazy, sure it's going to lower the amount of power you get behind a punch but you are still able to pivot your feet, and there is still technically a lead leg it's just very slight. No one is making you a parrot your making yourself one by not reading clear enough.

 

[Too Defensive**]

You will be exposing your self from head to toe

 

[Payak]

do i have to be so god damn specific,when i say no power i mean not enough power,surely you must know thats what i meant.
you must know a lot after 2 years of boxing,thats really impressive,i've only been training 29 years in Boxing.
stand however you want to stand,stand on your head if you want to,I dont want to argue about this anyway.
you want to know what is wrong with that stance then use it and you will find out soon enough.

 

[ktrp]

I've heard Bas suggesting squaring up more to try to trap people in the octagon. If you square up, and opponent moves to your right, you can now either throw a right hook with reasonable power, or throw a 'left cross' effectively making your left foot the 'back' foot you drive with. If they move to your left, you throw a right cross or left hook.

The problem is if they just attack head on, I'd think.

 

[IanTheGreat]

Well your wrong dude, i''ve been boxing for 2 years and to say that no lead leg will give you "No Power" is crazy, sure it's going to lower the amount of power you get behind a punch but you are still able to pivot your feet, and there is still technically a lead leg it's just very slight. No one is making you a parrot your making yourself one by not reading clear enough.

That stance will reduce the power in your punches and make you gas faster. Part of the key to throwing powerful punches for a prolonged period of time is that you use your body, namely your core muscles, to generate the most power. In a square stance, you rely more on your arm muscles, which give less power, and will also wear out faster.

 

[Payak]

good point ianthegreat,essential to know how to pace yourself.

 

[Corrosion]

You lose a lot of your power, it all starts from your back leg.

The only thing I see it being good for is takedown defense.

 

[bradlee180]

In boxing, squaring up your feet takes the power off your long-range straight punches, but in close, squaring up can add power to hooks and uppercuts.

When squared up, it's easy for an opponent to push you off-balance though.

Mike Tyson often squared up when he'd get in close just before launching a barrage.

Holyfield recognized that from watching videotape, and in the fight, he watched Mike's feet.
Whenever Tyson got in close to square up for a barrage, Holyfield would lean his shoulder into Mike and step in, to push Mike back and off-balance, stopping Mike's attack.

It was a key component of Holyfield's fight-plan for Mike.

That's boxing though.

In MMA in close, of course there's the thai clinch and knee or elbows or a takedown in addition to hooks and uppercuts.

Long-range though and squared-up, there's just not much power on a long-range straight punch nor a kick when squared up.

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[BeastoftheEast]

Even in wrestling; the first week of practice you learn the square and the staggered stance. I've never seen ANYBODY use a squared stance for more than a couple seconds.

 

[IanTheGreat]

good point ianthegreat,essential to know how to pace yourself.

Thank you!

I realized a couple weeks ago when I was hitting the bag and practicing uppercuts to the body that by throwing my whole body behind a punch, I could go a lot longer without needing a break, and I could notice a substantial difference in power.

 

[Andrew909]

you must know a lot after 2 years of boxing,thats really impressive,i've only been training 29 years in Boxing.

... LOL

 

[ChachiKiller]

it is only a starting point. it is a fighting stance. after a split second, you will be in a position to hit from anywhere. like most fights are some blended stance during an exchange.

knife fighting takes this position. not sure how it translates to MMA but I would not discount it.

Sometimes a long time in one sport makes you great in that one sport. MMA is different. You have to look at everything you do with honesty specific to MMA.

 

[Valiss]

Seems like you would have a hard time launching and landing kicks, but I dont recall if Bas was big on kicks or not in his MMA career.

 

[FairFax MMA]

Bas has NEVER advocated a square stance with no lead leg. That is just ridiculous.

Bas has ALWAYS advocated having your HIPS Square to your opponent and your feet in a staggered stance. This will give you the ability to sprawl well, lift either leg 45degrees to stop incoming leg kicks and increase the power of your jab giving it more hip twist.

 

[Payak]

I think some of you need to watch bas fight. he has good kicks and good muay thai.