Arm Bar from Guard?

[NewGuardBjj]

Is this a dying art? It's a basic move, but I don't see many being hit in high level competition.

 

[Calibur]

Is this a dying art? It's a basic move, but I don't see many being hit in high level competition.

No.

 

[Calibur]

Basically the threat is always there, if it wasn't than people wouldn't fight so desperately to avoid closed guard.

You see it constantly in the UFC, especially the lightweight division. Pettis vs Hendo. Jim Miller vs someone, etc.

The treat of the armbar and triangle keeps the move alive.

 

[NewGuardBjj]

Interesting.

It would be refreshing to see more of them in high level competition, though, because it's one of those basic moves that you are always told will have the most success if your technique is spot on.

 

[Calibur]

Interesting.

It would be refreshing to see more of them in high level competition, though, because it's one of those basic moves that you are always told will have the most success if your technique is spot on.

I think it's taught wrong.

Most gyms teach it in three or four steps, and ping you when you get the steps wrong. Than white belts will get stuck trying to perfect each step while rolling live and never get past the first.

I discussed it on sherdog about 5 years ago and a lot of people gave great opinions.

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f12/should-three-step-armbar-still-taught-1190415/

 

[ijustwannasurf]

We teach a climbing version as the basic armbar, where you lock a high guard over the attack-side shoulder before going for the arm. It's still methodical enough for n00bz, and you can actually apply it step by step in sparring.
Personally, I have more success with an armdrag to juji roll.

 

[Vitamin C]

Been working on looking for this when guys stand in my guard. It's pretty snappy. Establishing a high guard rather than the foot-on-hip obviousness that is commonly thought of is generally just good closed guard practice anyway. I like it because it chains well with the star sweep, which is a guilty pleasure of mine.

 

[1neeto]

One of my favorites. Almost got a purple belt with it today.

 

[Ved]

No, still works at high levels.
Link is a nice nogi closed guard arm bar instructor caught at the weekend
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153180764284634&set=vb.500559633&type=2&theater

 

[NewGuardBjj]

That was a nice arm bar! He had a quick transition and he locked up the arm nicely.

 

[Diode]

deep grip collar to bait choke, break them down, move to high guard

hip to side, nail cross choke if they dont defend

if they do, hip up, heavy leg over, grab elbow, armbrah

 

[deadlizard]

Pettis vs. Henderson

 

[Uchi Mata]

It still works. Kron hit it a lot.

 

[dazed863]

Is this a dying art? It's a basic move, but I don't see many being hit in high level competition.

thats actually a really good question. it makes me think, do high level guys still rep out the basic arm bar? is it even in their game plan anymore?

im a hobbyist and i will always 100% of the time threaten it if im in closed guard. you really have nothing to lose. but even for me it takes some work to get there. and i have the midset its a threat i use to open the other guy up for a sweep or follow on submission. so im sure higher level guys think along those lines to. question is do they still rep it out or is it a move they file away like the scissor sweep because their game has evolved to a level where they've now got better options?

anyway, as simple as it is, interesting question.

 

[NewGuardBjj]

I'm a hobbyist too, dude! Ha!


I've seen video of JJ Machado drilling basic armbars 100x on each side. I really like the idea of this, having such good basics that they stay threats right into the BB divs.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

it depends, no gi from standard close guard, its about impossible to hit it.

gi, much easier.

MMA harder than the gi, but much easir than no gi, the gloves in this case actually help a lot.

The 3 to 4 steps is pretty good to teach it to white belts, but it aint going to work on anyone with decent level. Imo, after teaching the basics, the best way to hit it is to underhook one leg and do all the motion in one step. The combatives dont even teach the 3-4 steps arm bar anymore, it is soooo much fluid and so much fast the one step version, also very important to teach how important it is the hip movement.

 

[Difeco]

it depends, no gi from standard close guard, its about impossible to hit it.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

well, thats why I said about impossible, not impossible :icon_lol:

that was sick I totally forgot about that..

 

[mattemate]

Pedro Sauer said the same thing. I really like this video. You seem to have a good philosophy.

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I think it's taught wrong.

Most gyms teach it in three or four steps, and ping you when you get the steps wrong. Than white belts will get stuck trying to perfect each step while rolling live and never get past the first.

I discussed it on sherdog about 5 years ago and a lot of people gave great opinions.

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f12/should-three-step-armbar-still-taught-1190415/

 

[yetanother]

It's one of the hardest moves to do correctly (see how Roger Gracie does it).
The 'basic' crap version (see a bazillion youtube videos) is dead in high level bjj and only works in mma against people who suck at bjj and try to brawl your head off.