Anyone learning to code? This is pretty inspiring.

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I'm in school for software engineering right now. This vid makes gives me a boost to get through homework and what not.
 
Not sure about this whole "EVERYBODY SHOULD LEARN 2 CODE!!! MORE PEOPLE IN COMP SCI!!!"

What the software development business needs is LESS people who were forced into it and who don't have a passion for it, god knows we already have a lot of shit applications out there and I'm tired of having to put out fires because some schmuck who doesn't really have a passion/is uneducated [which is what always happens when these pushes for more people happen, grade boundaries and passing grades suddenly get more lax] threw together half assed work
 
Cyantist said:
Not sure about this whole "EVERYBODY SHOULD LEARN 2 CODE!!! MORE PEOPLE IN COMP SCI!!!"

What the software development business needs is LESS people who were forced into it and who don't have a passion for it, god knows we already have a lot of shit applications out there and I'm tired of having to put out fires because some schmuck who doesn't really have a passion/is uneducated [which is what always happens when these pushes for more people happen, grade boundaries and passing grades suddenly get more lax] threw together half assed work
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Calm yourself, queen boy.
 
There's a thread here for coding. Its full of tutorials and experiences.
 
Anybody can learn the basics

Not everyone can be a programmer. Shit is brutal.
 
Jimmy Tuna said:
Anybody can learn the basics

Not everyone can be a programmer. Shit is brutal.
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Agreed. Bringing myself up to date with CSS3 & HTML5 presently after working with HTML, CGI & JavaScript for the past 20+ years!!! The amount of people wanting to subcontract work from me, who baulk at what I ask them to do is unbelievable!

They think that because they know how to use BBCode or have used a "One Click Installer" to set up a basic Wordpress/Joomla installation, that they are "web designers/developers". They soon come down to earth with a bang when you ask them to create custom forms or basic animations/layered menus.
 
OnlyTheTruth said:
Agreed. Bringing myself up to date with CSS3 & HTML5 presently after working with HTML, CGI & JavaScript for the past 20+ years!!! The amount of people wanting to subcontract work from me, who baulk at what I ask them to do is unbelievable!

They think that because they know how to use BBCode or have used a "One Click Installer" to set up a basic Wordpress/Joomla installation, that they are "web designers/developers". They soon come down to earth with a bang when you ask them to create custom forms or basic animations/layered menus.
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I "develop" WordPress sites as a side job. Incredibly easy.

It's just good that some people haven't discovered outsourcing yet. There's guys in India who would do it for pennies on the dollar.
 
Space Engineer said:
Calm yourself, queen boy.
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I agree with him. I've had to fix so many sites where the person who originally did it either didn't know crap about programming, or only knew one way to do stuff and did it that way even if it was the worst way to do it.

Those people do 2 things to the industry.
1. They do the work dirt cheap thus lessening the value of programmers in general.
2. They actually charge clients to do the crap work. The clients then have to pay someone else to fix it. Thus learning the lesson that you get what you pay for and good programming cost about as much as bad programming once you factor in paying for it twice.
 
Jimmy Tuna said:
I "develop" WordPress sites as a side job. Incredibly easy.

It's just good that some people haven't discovered outsourcing yet. There's guys in India who would do it for pennies on the dollar.
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And you would get a pennies on the dollar quality of work from it. Outsourcing is only a problem for lower level stuff and help desk stuff. No one is paying some dude in Bangalore on any project with any sort of value.
 
I've been in the industry coming up 15 years, like the guy says, anyone can do the basic stuff but when you're working on high end financial platforms that shit is brutal, saying 'everyone should code' is kind of like saying everyone should know basic DIY, it still doesn't make you an architect.
 
I'd rather the people of Earth learn basic legal concepts (rights/responsibilities; evidence and arguments; structure of the legal and governance system) so they can construct and critique arguments constructively and have a better idea of how the world is run.

Even just the basics, no high level abstract shit, simply learn how to make a logical and clearly expressed argument.

Fundamentally it might be closely related to programming.
 
robotsonic said:
I've been in the industry coming up 15 years, like the guy says, anyone can do the basic stuff but when you're working on high end financial platforms that shit is brutal, saying 'everyone should code' is kind of like saying everyone should know basic DIY, it still doesn't make you an architect.
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I agree with you 1,000%. I can change the layout of a website, but I would never attempt any of the more complex stuff (mostly because I value my time and sanity).

I have a close friend that pulls in well over 100k because he simply because he knows Java. Shit is in demand.
 
Jimmy Tuna said:
Anybody can learn the basics

Not everyone can be a programmer. Shit is brutal.
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Yuuuuup. It takes a certain kind of mind to pull it off. I'm not talking HTML/CSS, as that's really not programming its markup. Even after going to school for Software Engineering, I had to self-learn 90% of my knowledge-base. I remember the line drawn in class when we hit object-oriented stuff. Some people just couldn't grasp it. They could understand what everything was, but applying the material to solve problems was just beyond them.
 
KILL KILL said:
I agree with you 1,000%. I can change the layout of a website, but I would never attempt any of the more complex stuff (mostly because I value my time and sanity).

I have a close friend that pulls in well over 100k because he simply because he knows Java. Shit is in demand.
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So you're saying he sucks at it? Or do you just not know what he does and assume he doesn't do anything?

Personally, I view "programmer" is a derogatory term, similar to a racial slur.
 
Jimmy Tuna said:
I "develop" WordPress sites as a side job. Incredibly easy.

It's just good that some people haven't discovered outsourcing yet. There's guys in India who would do it for pennies on the dollar.
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As someone who was born in Canada, but parents are from India, I have discovered outsourcing and have made some decent coin off of it.
 
Learning to code is fun and all but it takes a decade to be a good programmer and that too only if you have the mindset for it. Most people cannot learn programming imo. I have an undergrad in software engineering and a masters in computer systems and I've been a software developer for more than a decade now. I have interacted with hundreds of students while doing programming projects and worked with hundreds of developers professionally, good one's out there are rare. I've always been admired by my fellow classmates and co-workers but the reality is I am not even close to an elite developer myself. The amount of stuff you can learn in this field is literally unlimited.
 
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