Another example of Australia's failed criminal justice system

[Lord Coke]

This is just another example of a system that has its priorities out of conformance with western norms. While it has spent decades persecuting poor Vietnamese immigrants for imagined rimes it allows its rich to do what it wishes. In this case a young women hit a cyclists without a legal consequence other than a suspended license. Here in America where we are free people go to jail for crippling others without remorse.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/16/texting-driver-hits-bicyclist-i-dont-care_n_5158966.html

Poor Kimberley Davis.

The 21-year-old Australian woman was livid when she slammed into a bicyclist while texting late last year, putting dents in her car. The victim suffered a spinal fracture and would spend the next three months in a hospital, but Davis wasn't having any of it, The Standard reports.

"I just don

 

[KILL KILL]

well......she's a terrible person.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

If I'm the victim I'd suggest giving her to me for a night and we'd work out the appropriate punishment. Call it creative sentencing.

 

[Ruprecht]

I thought this was going to be about the other cyclist that got hit (broken leg), and the cops faked his statement and only charged the driver with "following too close to a vehicle".

He was amazed to find that a statement had been filled in on his behalf, in first person speech. Inaccuracies included an entry that he had been cycling for recreation - he was in fact en route to work. Much of the statement attributed to him contains the same information as the statement given by the motorist who hit him. It ends by saying: "I have been struck by a vehicle on my right. I have then hit the bitumen and was instantly in pain."
The driver’s statement in the report said he had seen the cyclist up ahead, and had noticed him when nearly overtaking him at the earlier intersection. The driver said he was ‘‘trying to go around [the cyclist] in the lane’’ and ‘‘his bike has clipped the car’’.
The report concludes that the driver of the vehicle ‘‘has seen a bicycle up ahead and attempted to overtake ... and not left enough space’’, thereby causing a collision. This was judged as requiring a fine of ‘‘follow too closely’’, with the recommendation that ‘‘no further action be taken’’.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/cycl...-over-fine-video-evidence-20130906-2tb68.html

 

[Lord Coke]

I thought this was going to be about the other cyclist that got hit (broken leg), and the cops faked his statement and only charged the driver with "following too close to a vehicle".





http://www.smh.com.au/national/cycl...-over-fine-video-evidence-20130906-2tb68.html

seriously why is hitting a person with a vehicle not grounds for criminal sanctions in Australia?

 

[Ruprecht]

seriously why is hitting a person with a vehicle not grounds for criminal sanctions in Australia?

Yeah, unless you can prove malicious intent they'll just get a slap on the wrist the same as if it's a fender bender between cars.
The severity of the injuries doesn't seem to come into it.
Cyclists and motorcyclists have to ride defensively or else.
Cyclist fatalities have been steadily increasing.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-15/cycling-deaths-bring-questions-for-road-users-and/5392792

Not sure what you're talking about with the "decades persecuting poor Vietnamese immigrants for imagined (c)rimes" though.
The biggest knock on Australia's criminal justice system is usually it's lenience, especially in sentencing.

 

[Lord Coke]

Yeah, unless you can prove malicious intent they'll just get a slap on the wrist the same as if it's a fender bender between cars.
The severity of the injuries doesn't seem to come into it.
Cyclists and motorcyclists have to ride defensively or else.
Cyclist fatalities have been steadily increasing.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-15/cycling-deaths-bring-questions-for-road-users-and/5392792

Not sure what you're talking about with the "decades persecuting poor Vietnamese immigrants for imagined (c)rimes" though.
The biggest knock on Australia's criminal justice system is usually it's lenience, especially in sentencing.

they've been messing with my cousins in Sydney for years. The government considered members of organized crime for being entrepreneurs. I say make the world a Zomia just like back home
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zomia_(geography)

 

[Ruprecht]

they've been messing with my cousins in Sydney for years. The government considered members of organized crime for being entrepreneurs. I say make the world a Zomia just like back home
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zomia_(geography)

Ah right. Sending money out of the country?

 

[Lord Coke]

correct

 

[tkotom]

I thought this was going to be about the other cyclist that got hit (broken leg), and the cops faked his statement and only charged the driver with "following too close to a vehicle".





http://www.smh.com.au/national/cycl...-over-fine-video-evidence-20130906-2tb68.html

As moronic as the white car was, are people supposed to follow him all the way to work at 10km/h?

They should get these people on the footpath.. the roads are filled with thousands of people and there may be fewer than 2 persons per km on the footpath in the busiest hours.

It's also outrageous that they're free to ride on the road without paying registration. A car owner pays thousands of dollars to earn the right to drive and cyclists get to use the roads for free.

A very stupid system.

 

[tkotom]

"persecuting poor Vietnamese immigrants"

Why are you making up lies. Are they poor, entrepreneurs, criminals? Which one?

Australia gives just as much help to immigrants as it does to people born in Australia. You can get the same benefits, minimum wage and jobs. EXACTLY the same.

In most cases, you can get the benefits as soon as you hit the border. That's at least $250/wk AUD for sitting on your ass and doing nothing, per person; in most cases.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

But then...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate



Moral of the story is rules help but when 1.whatever billion need to get places you just gotta take your chances as an adult. But when someone rear ends your ass you need to take them for all their insurance is worth. I support pedestrians and cyclists getting maximum support. As I saw mentioned, society needs to accommodate all (or most reasonable) forms of transportation on the public roadways while balancing that with my need to drive slightly above the speed limit. I don't know about other countries but in America they are almost always about 10-15mph too low.

Cliffs: Traffic sucks.

 

[Lord Coke]

"persecuting poor Vietnamese immigrants"

Why are you making up lies. Are they poor, entrepreneurs, criminals? Which one?

Australia gives just as much help to immigrants as it does to people born in Australia. You can get the same benefits, minimum wage and jobs. EXACTLY the same.

In most cases, you can get the benefits as soon as you hit the border. That's at least $250/wk AUD for sitting on your ass and doing nothing, per person; in most cases.

Oh sure as long as they stay on the government dole like the Africans, no problem. The second they start opening businesses and start "taking away your jobs" then its police task forces and romper stomper.

 

[tkotom]

Oh sure as long as they stay on the government dole like the the Aboriginals, no problem. The second they start opening businesses and start "taking away your jobs" then its police task forces and romper stomper.

Nice edit you racist doucehbag.

What are you babbling on about? Police task forces? What?

 

[5H3RD0G]

"Mental problems" people that don't care when they have done wrong.

 

[Lord Coke]

Nice edit you racist doucehbag.

What are you babbling on about? Police task forces? What?

I just didn't want to complicate the history since for a long time the Aboriginals were denied benefits. One of your countrymen is posting on this thread and can elucidate the second issue better than I can. This is pretty common knowledge though.

 

[7437]

This is just another example of a system that has its priorities out of conformance with western norms. While it has spent decades persecuting poor Vietnamese immigrants for imagined rimes it allows its rich to do what it wishes. In this case a young women hit a cyclists without a legal consequence other than a suspended license. Here in America where we are free people go to jail for crippling others without remorse.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/16/texting-driver-hits-bicyclist-i-dont-care_n_5158966.html

Poor Kimberley Davis.



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I dont know what you mean rich peope in America go to jail. we wouldn't put a rich person in jail if they killed 4 people while drunk as well in a stolen car. they get rehab.

 

[tkotom]

Aboriginals get more benefits than anybody else in the nation.
And as somebody who has worked with African refugees and Indigenous centres, I take offense to every lie you're propagating right now.

It is really laughable that you're touting the US social system above the Australia one. Just hilarious. Australia is the most livable place on Earth with the highest Human Development Index on the planet.



No, it is not common knowledge. Police task forces don't just go around and shut down immigrant businesses or whatever else - for no reason - you were trying to say in that babbling nonsense of a post.

 

[Ruprecht]

As moronic as the white car was, are people supposed to follow him all the way to work at 10km/h?

They should get these people on the footpath.. the roads are filled with thousands of people and there may be fewer than 2 persons per km on the footpath in the busiest hours.

It's also outrageous that they're free to ride on the road without paying registration. A car owner pays thousands of dollars to earn the right to drive and cyclists get to use the roads for free.

A very stupid system.

Cyclists don't really contribute to wear and tear on the roads though, and footpaths are for pedestrians. It's illegal for adults to ride on the footpath. Changing that would just shift the conflict onto pedestrians.

I certainly understand why people get pissed off with cyclists who sit in the middle of the road rather than riding on the side, but this case actually backs up their argument.
This guy was riding on the side of the road and there was plenty of room to overtake him (dual lanes). No one had to get stuck behind him. Yet this 4wd driver clearly had no awareness of their vehicle's boundaries, couldn't judge the distance, and hit him.
Which is why some cyclists will say that it's safer to sit in the middle of the lane (which they are legally entitled to do). It forces people's awareness, making them treat cyclists like regular vehicles and change lanes to go around. Obviously on a busy single lane road this would be infuriating for drivers though.

No, it is not common knowledge. Police task forces don't just go around and shut down immigrant businesses or whatever else - for no reason - you were trying to say in that babbling nonsense of a post.

If you're sending money overseas the Federal Police are very likely to bust your balls, and I imagine you could well gain the attention of one of the ethnic organised crime Task Forces.
I was working in a Persian immigrant's business when the Feds served a warrant to audit that business and those of the owner's family members. Apparently it was because they'd bought a house for a sister in Pakistan. The officers serving the warrant were pretty hostile.
I think that's the sort of thing Alanb's referring to.

Not that I think any of this adds up to particularly damning criticism of the Australian justice system. Not compared to the stories of miscarried justice we regularly see in the War Room.

 

[Islam Imamate]

That reads like an article from The Onion, almost hard to believe someone can be so indifferent to the suffering of others especially when they're the cause of that suffering.