Angles and distance

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many fighters that face an opponant are looking to defend against many strikes, punches kickes etc.
there are many weapons your opponant has that you must be aware of.

by understanding angles and distance, simply by positioning yourself in a certain place you can control what strikes your opponant will throw, or more realistically narrow down the strikes he can throw making it far easier to defend as you have less weapons to worry about.

with experience you learn by simply moving a little one way in close he can only throw a right punch or a little the other he can only throw a left.
further back same with kicks, in very close only elbows.

once you practice footwork and work your angles and distancing, it will became easier to not only have a better idea of what he will most likely throw, but control what he will throw, make him throw what you want in order to defend and counter

by controlling the ring and the pace, and the movement, you control him leading him into traps, don't fall into his.

body positioning, feints and eye movement can also cause him to throw at parts of your body you wish him to, enabling you to counter with a pre planned strike.

this can enable one to beat a faster fighter to the punch, watch the older fighters who have slowed down but continue winning and learn.
 
interesting stuff. i train in kickboxing and have been trying to get my head round working angles for a while now. its not the easiest thing to visualize but this makes a lot of sense.

excellent post thanks. :icon_chee
 
a good eg of angles is to watch joe calzaghe punish jeff lacey using angles.
he will move to the side almost behind lacey, when lacey turns joe is waiting with a combo, move around again forcing him to turn and wait again.
lacey fell for this, again and again.
 
a good eg of angles is to watch joe calzaghe punish jeff lacey using angles.
he will move to the side almost behind lacey, when lacey turns joe is waiting with a combo, move around again forcing him to turn and wait again.
lacey fell for this, again and again.

nice one mate. i will check this out on youtube when i finish work.
 
Nice post Payak. I have been learning MT for past 3 months now and progressing well. Do you have specific drills you work on to help give some of us any ideas that are learning and giving something to work off of? Or is it just something you get a niche for with experience?
 
Yeah Joe Calzaghe was really good at this, RJJ (albiet past his prime) couldn't even keep up with him going down the stretch.

Saenchai is really good at this in Muay Thai, too. He is very different from the stereotypical Muay Thai fighter, Saenchai chooses to be tricky and smart, he both sets traps for his opponents up to run into as well as places himself strategically to not be vulnerable to his opponents' strikes.


Good strikers definitely play with distance a lot - if you can trick your opponent into thinking he is closer to you, you can make him 'reach' with an attack and leave him vulnerable for a counter. Or trick him into thinking he is further to you, so you can surprise him with an attack where he thought he was out of range.
 
IMO, in Boxing, the best guys who control angles and distance are guys who don't necessarily NEED physical gifts to do so. Meaning they're not excessively fast of hand, or foot, and they don't have concussive power. They don't have something that automatically puts their opponents in a position where they HAVE to respect them. They have to earn their respect with skill.

Hopkins is a wizard at this. And he doesn't care if he has to fight ugly to do it. He'll make you uncomfortable at your own range, and silently talk you out of thinking you can land a punch:



Unfortunately, Bernard is one of the few remaining of a dying breed. But there was a time where this true skill stood out, and guys like Tony Canzoneri made careers out of their ability to exploit these two things, distance and angles, the very things Boxing technique should be built on:

 
Wasn't there a famous featherweight, 100 years back or so, who won a round without throwing a single punch?

Payak and Sinister, do you guys have any tips on how to train for this kind of thing?
 
Well, Willie Pep is the man who that legend is attached to. But it's not quite accurate. It'd be more accurate to say he didn't land a punch, not didn't throw one.

There's no specific way to train this, for the reason that it should be ingrained into every aspect of training. Beginning with taking a stance, there should be some angle, and distance IN your stance (I disagree fully with squaring up, in any bout where strikes are allowed).

From there it should be practiced on every apparatus. Every bag you hit, every move you make shadowboxing, every kick you throw, even every takedown you attempt. Just before Forrest fought Anderson, I was in a parking lot with Mike (McCallum) and a guy recognized him and started talking to him. This guy was a Southpaw Muay Thai fighter, but a big Boxing fan. He mentioned that he'd been hired to spar with Forrest, and then said exactly this: "Yeah, Anderson's prolly gonna knock him out. He don't know the angles." What happened?

On another board someone asked me about keeping a guy on the ropes, saying wasn't that a necessary time to square up just to keep the guy pinned. I was never taught that. When the guy is on the ropes you keep your angular stance, the left hand (hook) closes the exit on that side, and the right hand (cross) closes the exit on the other side. No need to give up the angles at all.
 
hopkins is a good eg, thanks sinister.
he can stand in front of you and give you trouble.
an exp fighter will only move a few inches to make you missed, the untrained eye will not even see the small but many amazing things he is doing to an opponant.
many good muay thai fighters may look like they are simply smashing away at each other but there are small movements you may be missing, look deeper.
 
That reminds me of the guy from The Contender, Muay Thai, whose shoulders kept dislocating or whatever. His techniques were so clean, and he knew the subtleties of movement and distance very well. I just thought he didn't have it mentally, had no confidence in it. So he would be subdued by brute force, or speed, and start looking for a way out of the fight. Once you know these things, the next step is KNOWING that you know them.
 
speaking of knowing, there is som tum at the market with my name on it.
breakfast time, goto go.
my wife nag me, she hungry.
 
Great reading so far... Thanks to Payak and Sinister. I love these these hidden gem type of threads.
 
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