Television ANDOR Season 2 (Concludes at No. 1 on Nielsen's Streaming Charts; Best Star Wars Since Original Trilogy)

[JadeOwl]

The blood in blood out guy, was he a Jedi? He told Andor that force thing.

Who was the snobs around the round table? I remember 2 people bitching.

The people at the meeting were:

• Bail Organa: Senator for Alderaan and Leia’s adoptive father. He is the one who gives Cassian the final go ahead and tells him "May the Force Be with You".
• Mon Mothma: You know who she is if you’ve watched the show.
• Tynnra Pamlo: Senator for Taris. The black woman who was also in the council scene in Rogue One and upon getting confirmation of the Death Star’s capabilities wanted to surrender and plead for mercy.
• Senator Nower Jebel: Senator for Uyter. The other bitching dude with the beard. In the Rogue One council scene I think his proposal was to scatter the fleet and hide.
• General Draven: From Rebel Alliance Intelligence. In Rogue One he was the one gives Cassian secret orders to kill Galen Erso.
• General Raddus: The Mon Calamari badass who would command the Rebel fleet at the Battle of Scariff.

 

[SSgt Dickweed]

I just rewatched Rogue One, not a good viewing for me (has to do with my mood than anything else), which is weird because I enjoyed my first few viewings very much. I thought it was the best out of the Disney-era SW movies.

Jyn Erso is a fucking can. What a lame ass lead for a movie. Felicity Jones was absolutely the wrong actress for this. She was completely unconvincing in the dialogue, and even worse in the most telegraphed fight scenes straight out of a Sensei Seagal movie.

Tony Gilroy-ism is all over this movie. I remember that it was reported that R1 had a lot of production delays and reshoots. I imagine this is due to Gilroy's bullshit and they had to bring in Chris Weitz to rewrite the movie where it actually made sense for a big screen release. Weitz directed a Twilight movie but I guess that was good enough to reign in Tony's hackjob script.

 

[ChickenBrother]

• Tynnra Pamlo: Senator for Taris. The black woman who was also in the council scene in Rogue One and upon getting confirmation of the Death Star’s capabilities wanted to surrender and plead for mercy.
• Senator Nower Jebel: Senator for Uyter. The other bitching dude with the beard. In the Rogue One council scene I think his proposal was to scatter the fleet and hide.

Jyn Erso is a fucking can. What a lame ass lead for a movie. Felicity Jones was absolutely the wrong actress for this. She was completely unconvincing in the dialogue, and even worse in the most telegraphed fight scenes straight out of a Sensei Seagal movie.

I enjoyed R1 but agree Felicity Jones wasn't right as the lead. She came off too pretty and "normal" rather than the orphan hardass she was supposed to be. Saw G. telling her she had been his best fighter was ridiculous, although it might make sense after we've seen Andor. I guess it's possible Jyn Erso was his best fighter if everyone else was betraying him, high on rhydo and settling combat disputes with paper rock scissors.

 

[greygoose]

I'm about 7 or 8 eps in. It's still a very good show. I haven't read any reviews other than headlines, but does anyone else feel that Cassian's story is the least interesting part compared to the other characters? Or maybe Bix just drags him down? Or maybe it picks up...idk

 

[BangBang]

10/10. I didn't want it to end.

 

[ChickenBrother]

I'm about 7 or 8 eps in. It's still a very good show. I haven't read any reviews other than headlines, but does anyone else feel that Cassian's story is the least interesting part compared to the other characters?

I felt the same way up to that point but after finishing S2, I believe it was intentional - they're building to his role in Rogue One. While I thought some episodes were lukewarm, the series as a whole is masterfully crafted and just thinking about it gives me a chubby. 10/10

 

[BangBang]

I'm about 7 or 8 eps in. It's still a very good show. I haven't read any reviews other than headlines, but does anyone else feel that Cassian's story is the least interesting part compared to the other characters? Or maybe Bix just drags him down? Or maybe it picks up...idk

Cassian is a subtle and understated character. I love that he is like that. The reluctant hero, who is destined to be a martyr like Luthian.

 

[ChickenBrother]

I started watching Tales of the Underworld and they somehow brought back Asaj Ventress to life like via Dragon Balls and I didn't know she was killed and prior to that ended up getting a jedi to fall in love with her.

Just finished watching Tales of the Underworld. Someone should have pimp slapped the annoying Scrappy Doo jedi kid but the Ventress episodes were pretty good. The Cad Bane ones not so much.

Ventress is how you properly write a conflicted villain/anti-hero and I'm surprised they haven't brought her to live action yet. Cad Bane is just a generic one-dimensional blue peckerhead in a cowboy hat.

 

[milliniar]

Just finished.
Great series.

I wonder if baby Ifthen will show up again.

 

[Batjester]

Just finished.
Great series.

I wonder if baby Ifthen will show up again.

The baby is Grogu.

 

[GSP_37]

Just finished watching Tales of the Underworld. Someone should have pimp slapped the annoying Scrappy Doo jedi kid but the Ventress episodes were pretty good. The Cad Bane ones not so much.

Ventress is how you properly write a conflicted villain/anti-hero and I'm surprised they haven't brought her to live action yet. Cad Bane is just a generic one-dimensional blue peckerhead in a cowboy hat.

Curious if that Junior Jedi is someone significant.

I suppose it was worthwhile telling Cad Bane's origin.

 

[ChickenBrother]

Curious if that Junior Jedi is someone significant.

I think the question on everyone's mind after ROTS was how a bunch of stormtroopers managed to kill every jedi except Yoda and Obi Wan. But with all the spin offs since then, we know approximately 57.2 billion jedi survived Order 66 and that doesn't even include the dime a dozen force sensitive kids working in horse stables, rock quarries or dining facilities.

I suppose it was worthwhile telling Cad Bane's origin.

On balance those episodes were as well-written as the Ventress ones - saturday morning kids show. But Ventress is just a more interesting character who deserves her own spin off series. Was hoping for something more meaty for Cad Bane's origin but turns out he's just a blue dickhead who ripped off someone else's gimmick along with every B-movie Western ever.

 

[I Am Legion]

My wife and I finished the last episode and went right into rewatching Rogue One. SO much better with all the back story. I always liked Rogue One, but rewatching it, it was one of the best SW movies made imo. Andor was a triumph for me. After years of let downs, I was beginning to think I was done with SW. Now I am going to rewatch the original 3 again.

 

[Moin]

Watching Rogue One after this. My god, Andor is so good. I don't rewatch things much but I will be rewatching the whole thing.

I watched Rogue One right after the final, and I was slightly annoyed how much stupid action sequences the movie has. The generic girl boss is no different than the chick from the Force awakens and is so bland. Pouting does not equal badass.

I really missed the more grounded political setup of Andor versus the stupid jedi action shit. Still the best movie from the new batch.

 

[deviake]

I watched Rogue One right after the final, and I was slightly annoyed how much stupid action sequences the movie has. The generic girl boss is no different than the chick from the Force awakens and is so bland. Pouting does not equal badass.

I really missed the more grounded political setup of Andor versus the stupid jedi action shit. Still the best movie from the new batch.

She definitely lacked charisma.

I noticed right away how much of a joke stormtroopers were, it was glaring after watching Andor, which was my only new issue with Rogue One. I thought Jyn was able to merk them too easily with her batons, but at least they were metal; Chirrut and the ewoks in ROTJ were taking them out with wood sticks.

 

[ChickenBrother]

I watched Rogue One right after the final, and I was slightly annoyed how much stupid action sequences the movie has. The generic girl boss is no different than the chick from the Force awakens and is so bland. Pouting does not equal badass.

I really missed the more grounded political setup of Andor versus the stupid jedi action shit. Still the best movie from the new batch.

TBF you can't compare what they can do over a 24-episode series like Andor with a 2-hour movie targeted at mainstream casuals. Due to time constraints, the latter has to dumb it down and keep it exciting. Also RO was only Disney's 2nd SW movie debuting a year after TFA which did good numbers with its formulaic plot (this was before everyone realized the ST would be a steaming pile of shit).

So Disney figured they'd play it safe with another generic girlboss. But with the benefit of hindsight, just about any non-shitty female lead from Disney SW would have been better. Either Vel or Cinta from Andor could have pulled off the tough chick who's seen combat, and even though Kleya is a little too pretty, she could have worked too. Shit, Armorer, Bo Katan or Fennec Shand from Mandalorian/BOBF would have been better as well.

 

[shunyata]

I think the question on everyone's mind after ROTS was how a bunch of stormtroopers managed to kill every jedi except Yoda and Obi Wan. But with all the spin offs since then, we know approximately 57.2 billion jedi survived Order 66 and that doesn't even include the dime a dozen force sensitive kids who work in horse stables, rock quarries or dining facilities.

Some of the other EU material covers this.

The game Jedi: Survivor shows Vader hunting down the jedi diaspora.

 

[ChickenBrother]

Some of the other EU material covers this.

The game Jedi: Survivor shows Vader hunting down the jedi diaspora.

I get Vader and the Inquisitors hunted them down, but there's only like 5 of those guys. Hunting down 57.2 billion jedi would have taken them longer than for the earth to mathematically populate enough people for Frank Dux to go through a 60-round, single elimination kumite bracket.

 

[deviake]

I get Vader and the Inquisitors hunted them down, but there's only like 5 of those guys. Hunting down 57.2 billion jedi would have taken them longer than for the earth to mathematically populate with enough people for Frank Dux to go through a 60-round, single elimination kumite bracket.

There's an entire galaxy under imperial rule, it's not just that handful of people and even with them there's a galaxy wide intelligence apparatus at work with a shitzillion people without which they wouldn't be able to locate them to begin with. The vast, overwhelming majority of the jedi were killed by imperial troops in the initial purge and there's two decades between ROTS and ANH.

 

[Daverisimo]

Saw Gerrera's legacy lives on