Television ANDOR Season 2 (Concludes at No. 1 on Nielsen's Streaming Charts; Best Star Wars Since Original Trilogy)

[GSP_37]

I've been hearing all kinds of talk about how it doesn't matter how well Andor did, because Disney is going to put a bigger focus on films over serial shows.

More money to be made via movies than via streaming shows. I suspect the many streaming services are learning people aren't subscribing for good, but turning it on and off and that might be why various services made deals with cable company so at least they can make some money via ads to wider subscriber base.

 

[method115]

I've been hearing all kinds of talk about how it doesn't matter how well Andor did, because Disney is going to put a bigger focus on films over serial shows.

It doesn't matter because the Tony isn't coming back. Doesn't matter what Disney does after this I don't trust whatever they do without Tony.

 

[HenryFlower]

Is Andor even better than the original trilogy?

yes

Is Andor a better written show than the original trilogy?

this one is harder to determine for me because A New Hope is pretty much gold standard 3-act structure for populist cinema & Empire is a gold standard bridge sequel. at the end of the day, the writing in Andor & those accomplish what it sets out to do in a very efficient & engaging way

 

[Aegon Spengler]

I finally got around to watching this and I find it… extremely overrated….

Maybe I need to watch it again but the first three episodes just outright suck.

Then that Imperial careerist guy turns on his woman with very little cause. Why does he care about citizens on Gorman? He has no attachments there…

The highs of the shows are very high, the political intrigue etc but often times it doesn’t really feel like Star Wars.

 

[Bob Gray]

I finally got around to watching this and I find it… extremely overrated….

Maybe I need to watch it again but the first three episodes just outright suck. That Imperial careerist guy turns on his woman with very little cause. Why does he care about citizens on Gorman? He has no attachments there…

The highs of the shows are very high, the political intrigue etc but often times it doesn’t really feel like Star Wars.

I talked to more than one person that was underwhelmed by the iniital episodes. personally it got me from the start, but I told them keep on it and they all were happy that they did.

Second season initial episodes were also pretty meh.

 

[avenue94]

I finally got around to watching this and I find it… extremely overrated….

Maybe I need to watch it again but the first three episodes just outright suck. That Imperial careerist guy turns on his woman with very little cause. Why does he care about citizens on Gorman? He has no attachments there…

The highs of the shows are very high, the political intrigue etc but often times it doesn’t really feel like Star Wars.

It makes sense in the context that ultimately he's a do gooder (in his own way) who realized he's been duped. The bloodshed is also a far cry from the bureaucracy and work he is accustomed to.

I'm curious, why doesn't the show feel very Star Wars to you?

 

[Aegon Spengler]

It makes sense in the context that ultimately he's a do gooder (in his own way) who realized he's been duped. The bloodshed is also a far cry from the bureaucracy and work he is accustomed to.

I'm curious, why doesn't the show feel very Star Wars to you?

Well, season 1 I thought was great. I was only talking about season 2 in my post.

If the bloodshed was too much, it's odd he just randomly attacks the first person with a gun he sees and has a fight to the death with him...

Season 2, the first three episodes I thought really stunk. They are pointless.

I don't like the large droids that are blaster proof - where were they at the battle of Endor, or Hoth? If the empire had one of those when Kleya did her little mission, the mission would be over. Also the tricked out tie fighter, the screens they use instead of holograms, the lack of aliens - it's a good show all in, but it's not a Star Wars show.

 

[avenue94]

Well, season 1 I thought was great. I was only talking about season 2 in my post.

If the bloodshed was too much, it's odd he just randomly attacks the first person with a gun he sees and has a fight to the death with him...

Season 2, the first three episodes I thought really stunk. They are pointless. I don't like the large droids that are blaster proof - where were they at the battle of Endor, or Hoth? The tricked out tie fighter, the screens they use instead of holograms, the lack of aliens - it's a good show all in, but it's not a Star Wars show.

I read that scene as the culmination of everything he believed crumbling, and him realizeing his tormenter was finally face to face. YMMV.

I agree that the first part of Season 2 was slower than I'd like. As for continuity in Star Wars, it's impossible given what the IP is, so I don't think too hard as to why robots are varying levels of durable in different series. For what it's worth, it's consistent with Rogue One.

I'll note the same thing as Halo: If you want to adapt it with a bunch of aliens on screen, you're asking for film budgets, not TV (even prestige TV) money.

 

[Daverisimo]

Anyone who rated it below a 9 is a complete and utter donkey, and that's me being generous. Andor was a masterpiece from start to finish.

 

[ChickenBrother]

I finally got around to watching this and I find it… extremely overrated….

Maybe I need to watch it again but the first three episodes just outright suck. That Imperial careerist guy turns on his woman with very little cause. Why does he care about citizens on Gorman? He has no attachments there…

The highs of the shows are very high, the political intrigue etc but often times it doesn’t really feel like Star Wars.

Bruh... I already broke down careerist OCD nerd guy's Falling Down sequence back in post #186:

Spoiler

On first watch I thought the bar fight was WTF but watching again, they set it up brilliantly.

1) Pacifist fashionista dad guy confronts Karn and blames him for all the bad shit the Empire is doing. Karn is like WTF and fights him off with a rape choke.

2) Realizing he's hacked into unlimited power, Karn confronts Dedra and puts her in a rape choke. This gets him the answers he's looking for.

3) While Cassian is earning the "shittiest sniper in the galaxy" award for not taking any of the 87 clear shots he has at Dedra, Karn recognizes him as Fulcrum, blast doubles his ass and puts him in a rape choke. Of course it works and as Karn prepares to finish the job...

Cassian: Who da phuc are you?

4) Reeling from this sick burn and the reveal there are levels to this shit, Karn lowers his blaster too late because...

Pacifist fashionista dad guy: Fuck you and your fuckin' rape choke!!!

Dedra and Karn's arcs were highfalutin shit. Dedra was amoral and a "hate the game, not the player" kind of chick but Karn was an idealist who thought the Empire was the good guys. After wooing Meero with his crossbow and hacking skills, he thought he was one of the cool kids maintaining order in the galaxy. But realizing he'd been duped by team bad guy made him snap. He had no attachments to Ghorman but thought he was doing harmless secret squirrel shit to root out rebel bad guys. He never wanted to enable an unprovoked genocide.

 

[Daverisimo]

Bruh... I already broke down careerist OCD nerd guy's Falling Down sequence back in post #186:





Dedra and Karn's arcs were highfalutin shit. Dedra was amoral and a "hate the game, not the player" kind of chick but Karn was an idealist who thought the Empire was the good guys. After wooing Meero with his crossbow and hacking skills, he thought he was one of the cool kids maintaining order in the galaxy. But realizing he'd been duped by team bad guy made him snap. He had no attachments to Ghorman but thought he was doing harmless secret squirrel shit to root out rebel bad guys. He never wanted to enable an unprovoked genocide.

I think Syril is probably the most tragic character in the show. He actually has his "are we the baddies?" moment, but it came too late. People have an infinite capacity to change, but only a finite amount of time to do so, and Syril's arc demonstrates that beautifully.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

I read that scene as the culmination of everything he believed crumbling, and him realizeing his tormenter was finally face to face. YMMV.

I agree that the first part of Season 2 was slower than I'd like. As for continuity in Star Wars, it's impossible given what the IP is, so I don't think too hard as to why robots are varying levels of durable in different series. For what it's worth, it's consistent with Rogue One.

I'll note the same thing as Halo: If you want to adapt it with a bunch of aliens on screen, you're asking for film budgets, not TV (even prestige TV) money.

It’s not really that it was slow, it was really dumb. The imperials and the rebels make inexplicably stupid decisions, often, for the sake of the plot. In that sense it fits in with the prequels.

Spoiler

Luthen seems to die for absolutely nothing. A guy comes to him and tells him about the Death Star, and instead of attempting to escape with him and learn more, he just murders him in the street in broad daylight (somehow nobody witnesses this) and then he goes back to his little shop and destroys some equipment. Like dickhead, you could have escaped with that guy or at least tried. And he stabs himself instead of trying to take that blonde with him? He died like an idiot. And why tell him about Yavin? Go with him to anywhere else. There is a whole galaxy.

Kleya arguing about going with them. lol. What the fuck? What an idiot.

Also no bacta tank was weird. They have them in plenty of other episodes and in return if the Jedi.

 

[I Am Legion]

I recently rewatched it again and finished with Rogue One. Just really entertaining, great world building, tremendous performances, can't say enough great things. Everything Disney has touched with SW Universe has not been good for me. I didn't even love Mando after a while. Season 3 was awful. I thought maybe I had just outgrown the world. But no, they were making shit. Obi Wan, Boba Fett, The Acolyte, Ahsoka....Not good. Really the animated stuff kept me around. Andor brought back faith.
But this is a tense and often dark show. It is not Skeleton Crew by any means. You feel the pain and struggle. Not a ton of joy in this show.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

I recently rewatched it again and finished with Rogue One. Just really entertaining, great world building, tremendous performances, can't say enough great things. Everything Disney has touched with SW Universe has not been good for me. I didn't even love Mando after a while. Season 3 was awful. I thought maybe I had just outgrown the world. But no, they were making shit. Obi Wan, Boba Fett, The Acolyte, Ahsoka....Not good. Really the animated stuff kept me around. Andor brought back faith.
But this is a tense and often dark show. It is not Skeleton Crew by any means. You feel the pain and struggle. Not a ton of joy in this show.

I watched Rouge One again after watching as well, and I was surprised by how much I hated it.

There is a ton of dialogue in Rouge One that directly contradict Andor - Cassian, for example, says he's been fighting the empire since he was 6 years old. lol.

The CGI Tarkin and Leia are horrible. And characters constantly make painfully stupid decisions for the sake of the plot. It also doesn't really link up with A New Hope very well. There would be no way for Leia to claim she isn't part of the alliance if they were following her ship like that, and if Vader was personally storming through Rebel soldiers in one movie why did he send in a bunch of storm troopers to die at the start of the next one?

 

[eddymotto]

yes

this one is harder to determine for me because A New Hope is pretty much gold standard 3-act structure for populist cinema & Empire is a gold standard bridge sequel. at the end of the day, the writing in Andor & those accomplish what it sets out to do in a very efficient & engaging way

yes.

also, no Ewok's.

 

[deviake]

 

[method115]

I watched Rouge One again after watching as well, and I was surprised by how much I hated it.

There is a ton of dialogue in Rouge One that directly contradict Andor - Cassian, for example, says he's been fighting the empire since he was 6 years old. lol.

The CGI Tarkin and Leia are horrible. And characters constantly make painfully stupid decisions for the sake of the plot. It also doesn't really link up with A New Hope very well. There would be no way for Leia to claim she isn't part of the alliance if they were following her ship like that, and if Vader was personally storming through Rebel soldiers in one movie why did he send in a bunch of storm troopers to die at the start of the next one?

I loved Rogue One when I originally watched it. Watching it again after Andor season 2 and I was shocked by how mediocre it was.

 

[jackasa]

Best show, so lit and one for the times.