American style kickboxers in ufc?

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Just to clarify, American kickboxing is a sport as well as a style. It was pioneered by guys like Bill Wallace and don Wilson and Benny the jet.

But sadly it became disgraced in a match that involved a thai fighter vs duke roufus who ended looking like more of an antagonist than John kreese and cobra kai by forcing their rules on the thai fighter and cheating. Yet they lost within their own rule set.

This pretty much killed karate kickboxing. But I feel that they have very techniques. Are there any MMA fighters that train and fight in this particular style?

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At around 9:30 TJ talks about pure Muay Thai being too stationary and that he prefers a kickboxing style that is MMA based, He prefers an MMA style kickboxing:


 
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Ogata said:
Just to clarify, American kickboxing is a sport as well as a style. It was pioneered by guys like Bill Wallace and don Wilson and Benny the jet.

But sadly it became disgraced in a match that involved a thai fighter vs duke roufus who ended looking like more of an antagonist than John kreese and cobra kai by forcing their rules on the thai fighter and cheating. Yet they lost within their own rule set.

This pretty much killed karate kickboxing. But I feel that they have very techniques. Are there any MMA fighters that train and fight in this particular style?
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Early on before the MMA boom there was a lot more of this. I got started with this before 2000 and it quickly evolved into Muay Thai. We would watch old pride fights and try to figure out knees and elbows on our own. 20 years later the gym is full blown MMA/BJJ school. There is no point in going backwards.
 
Rufus might be the best american kickboxer of all time and got one of the most succesful MMA gym now.

Anthony Pettis, Donald Cerrone use a kickboxing style.

Duane Ludwig had a pretty long mma career, good coach too.
 
BZeee said:
Early on before the MMA boom there was a lot more of this. I got started with this before 2000 and it quickly evolved into Muay Thai. We would watch old pride fights and try to figure out knees and elbows on our own. 20 years later the gym is full blown MMA/BJJ school. There is no point in going backwards.
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That is true, in the mid 2000s you had bjj or muay thai as the only option. Wrestling was done in seminars.

Later on you had boxing and then judo incorporated.
 
Ogata said:
That is true, in the mid 2000s you had bjj or muay thai as the only option. Wrestling was done in seminars.

Later on you had boxing and then judo incorporated.
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a lot of time muay thai was done in seminars. It was hard to find people with experience outside of thailand or Ireland. We'd have guys like Brooks Mason come through who had exp with Don the Dragon Wilson and he'd teach us some things we hadn't seen. A lot of us ended up fighting in the IKF which was big in the early days too. It was fun times 'cus everything felt so new and cutting edge. A lot of smaller guys had no UFC dreams cus the weight classes didnt exist but we were working on mid combo stance switching, lead leg side kicks( sick setup for the spinning back fist that NO ONE USES except maybe Valentina) , and a lot of other cooler shit you see guys using today esp coming out of Bang MT. Cool times.
 
Maybe went out of style when Rick Roufus got his legs kicked off by a Thai boxer on live TV.
 
Ogata said:
Just to clarify, American kickboxing is a sport as well as a style. It was pioneered by guys like Bill Wallace and don Wilson and Benny the jet.

But sadly it became disgraced in a match that involved a thai fighter vs duke roufus who ended looking like more of an antagonist than John kreese and cobra kai by forcing their rules on the thai fighter and cheating. Yet they lost within their own rule set.

This pretty much killed karate kickboxing. But I feel that they have very techniques. Are there any MMA fighters that train and fight in this particular style?
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Stephen Thompson?

Also, I think what "killed" karate kickboxing was Muay Thai leg kicks exposing their lack of defense.

 
DaleBoca said:
Tong Po broke Eric Sloane’s back. That settled the debate until Eric’s brother, David, got revenge a couple years later. Note, Kurt Sloane also beat Tong Po but that wasn’t American kickboxing.
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Mai Li gooooood FUCK
 
Yeah what style would classify max holloway under? I see a little bit of American kickboxing in his style. At least I thought I did until he started standing upright and throwing leg kicks again against volkanovski after the long kick hiatus.
 
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