ADCC rules on pulling guard

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from the adcc website..

Penalties:

When a fighter voluntarily jumps in the guard or goes from standing position to a non-standing position by any means and remains down for 3 seconds or more, he will be punished by a minus point.

Is this a strict enforcement? Does that mean that every match that hits the ground starts with a score of 2/4 to zero? Also what if two guys pull guard simultaneously, is it who ever gets off their ass first? Just curious because I'd like to do an ADCC regional if I ever get the opportunity but I'm also a guard puller/butt scooter.:redface: Anyone who has competed under ADCC rules, please chime in.
 
It's -1 if you pull guard. That means you can have negative points if you try it with a zero or less score. Has always been enforced AFAIK.

But I don't know how the ADCC Regionals run. I know the actual ADCC Championships and Trials go by 5 minute no points/5 minute points period. But I don't know if every ADCC tourney and division will have 10 minute matches.
 
oh yeah...my bad. Its -1. Yeah the rules are pulled from regionals rules.
 
wait pulling guard is against the rules? how does that make sense?


someone please explain lol
 
What i dont get is why its illegal to pull guard when its perfectly legal to just sit down on your butt and start to buttscoot? Theres barely any differance since most guys that are buttscooting are good enough to trap the standing person in their guard as they try to pass.
 
anten said:
What i dont get is why its illegal to pull guard when its perfectly legal to just sit down on your butt and start to buttscoot? Theres barely any differance since most guys that are buttscooting are good enough to trap the standing person in their guard as they try to pass.
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i believe buttscooting draws a penalty as well. any time you go from standing to not standing...according to the rules.
 
It's not illegal, it is just a different point system to foster a different focus in the match and to give wrestlers a more level playing field.
 
ShanghaiBJJ said:
It's not illegal, it is just a different point system to foster a different focus in the match and to give wrestlers a more level playing field.
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cause wrestlers are at a huge disadvantage grappling? I dont understand that point? it sounds more like it is giving wreslters an advantage on a points basis, pulling guard is one of the top bjj positions, now bjj cant use their guard but wrestlers can still secure take downs?
 
Quoth said:
cause wrestlers are at a huge disadvantage grappling? I dont understand that point? it sounds more like it is giving wreslters an advantage on a points basis, pulling guard is one of the top bjj positions, now bjj cant use their guard but wrestlers can still secure take downs?
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BJJ Players can use their guard.

They just either risk a point doing it, or concede the takedown points to get there.

If anything it pushes for positional dominance which is hardly contrary to BJJ.
 
The first half of the match is no points so it doesn't apply anyways. If you pull guard and don't sweep in 3 seconds in the last half of the match you get -1.
 
Belatucadros said:
BJJ Players can use their guard.

They just either risk a point doing it, or concede the takedown points to get there.

If anything it pushes for positional dominance which is hardly contrary to BJJ.
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Very often the match will be decided in that last part of the match. So yes they'll be allowed to use their guard, but with a point deduction, therefore giving wrestlers an advantage, as Quoth said. Bjj players are aware that their takedown skills won't be that of a wrestler, so they'll often bank on their guard (neutral) to attain that positional dominance with a sweep.
 
Mr. Sandman said:
Very often the match will be decided in that last part of the match. So yes they'll be allowed to use their guard, but with a point deduction, therefore giving wrestlers an advantage, as Quoth said. Bjj players are aware that their takedown skills won't be that of a wrestler, so they'll often bank on their guard (neutral) to attain that positional dominance with a sweep.
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Ok, I know this is pretty much a BJJ dominated board and compared to other GRAPPLING styles they are probably the weakest in terms of stand up grappling.

Submission GRAPPLING is grappling with submissions...I know DUH, you are thinking.

The thing with GRAPPLING is that you can and will have different grappling comps/styles acutally GRAPPLE without one of the guys ever being on the mat andother times the grapplers are on the mat only for a moment.


Lets look at Judo, 2 guys can GRAPPLE for 2,3 maybe even 5 minutes ith NO ONE hitting the ground and even the winner may not have hit the ground at all.

In wrestling when a takedown is scored both grapplers are on the ground but in reality you can have an entire match go with standing grappling for 90-95% of the match.

So ADCC tries to advertise itself as a submission grappling match therefore they have that -1 point for the guard pull.

It's really one of the few advantages a stand up grappler has in this event.

remember, just cuz it ain't on the ground dont mean it ain't grappling.

Be grateful they dont allow the "take them down let thme up" strategy.

See I view things this way:
If 2 guys are in a supposedly neutral grappling comp that can end in submission I think it should be truly neutral.
What I mean is if one guy can dominate another guy on the mat, yet he cant get him or keep him there then who is truly dominating the GRAPPLING?

Now on the flip side if a guy enters a BJJ tourney and tries the same tactic he SHOULD be penalized for the tactic because BJJ is pretty much ALL about what actually happens while grappling on the ground. Some styles tilt one way or the other concerning this issue.
 
that's a weird scoring system,

in our tournament (Florida Xtreme Grappling) if you shoot in for a takedown and your opponent pulls guard you get a TD point, but if you pull guard on a your standing opponent you don't get a TD point.

It pushes fighters to go for takedowns and evens out the playing field.

i think taking away points is never good, we give stalling points to the opponent of the staller, it works much better.
 
i like the rules. it doesnt really effect the game it just helps with cheapness in the last scoring portion of the match. Knoxpk said it as bjj guys more emphasis should be put on takedowns and position before submission not my many variations of rubber guard and 0 takedowns. i realize bjj is mostly all ground but at least 15% of training time can be used for takedowns and a little review before tournaments. Many bjj schools that ive been to are content just omitting the standing portion.
 
I can see why the guard pulling penalty is in place. Takedowns is part of the game and just sitting down to avoid it is too easy of a way out. Imagine if they didn't penalize for it in boxing. You just go to a knee every time you're about to get hit. Not sure if thats a great example or not. But on the other side of the coin, not everyone pulls guard because they are avoiding a takedown. Alot of bjj are just bottom players.

I guess submission grappling is already so taylor made for bjj players anyways, that taking away that one move isn't a big deal. I think this year's ADCC was won by just about all bjj players except 1.
 
platfox said:
I can see why the guard pulling penalty is in place. Takedowns is part of the game and just sitting down to avoid it is too easy of a way out. Imagine if they didn't penalize for it in boxing. You just go to a knee every time you're about to get hit. Not sure if thats a great example or not. But on the other side of the coin, not everyone pulls guard because they are avoiding a takedown. Alot of bjj are just bottom players.

I guess submission grappling is already so taylor made for bjj players anyways, that taking away that one move isn't a big deal. I think this year's ADCC was won by just about all bjj players except 1.
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The sponsors of ADCC wants it that way because they want a more exciting show: That is a guy sitting on his butt is not that great for TV unless you know about BJJ.
 
Quoth said:
cause wrestlers are at a huge disadvantage grappling? I dont understand that point? it sounds more like it is giving wreslters an advantage on a points basis, pulling guard is one of the top bjj positions, now bjj cant use their guard but wrestlers can still secure take downs?
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Well, you can force a wrestler to play a BJJ game by sitting on your ass in a BJJ match.

By giving negative points, people are persuaded to at least try the stand-up portion.

Not saying wrestlers are worse grapplers, but you can play against their biggest strength by sitting down.
 
pulling guard is for cowards I don't care how much flak I get. Just go for a double leg and then pull guard if you fail. I also thought bjj was suppose to be the most dynamic grappling sport and your saying it puts bjj players at disadvantage because they can't pull guard. If they get a sweep it still means they win by a point
 
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