95% of rounds ending 10-9 is the root of the problem

[HockeyBjj]

10-9 scoring system means the end of the day, Max Holloway’s clear win with a drop in the first round gets scored no different than Volkanovski’s 4th round win with much less damage, or even the toss up round of the 3rd

A current 10-8 should be scored something like a 10-6

10-9 can be for rounds where you basically have to just pick a winner, also where very even one guy striking then other guy wrestling and effectiveness seems balanced
10-8 for a round with a clear winner, but not significant damage
10-7 for a clear winner who significantly damaged or completely controlled opponent who could do any offense of his own
10-6 for a 1 sided round where it was close to being stopped
10-5 for rounds where it was close to being stopped more than once, or was a near murder but guy somehow saw the end bell

This would allow a fighter who destroyed a guy for two rounds to win a fight even if other pitter pattered him slightly more for 3

Also, would make it a lot easier for a ref to take a point for all the ball shots and eye pokes we see, since it wouldn’t completely determine the outcome of the fight

 

[tripleo]

solution: Pride rules

 

[Huligani]

Largely true, MMA judges being so terrified of awarding a 10-8 let alone a 10-7 is absurd. Though I vote for ditching the 10 point system entirely and actually hiring competent judges...

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

10-9 scoring system means the end of the day, Max Holloway’s clear win with a drop in the first round gets scored no different than Volkanovski’s 4th round clear win with much less damage, or even the toss up round of the 3rd

A current 10-8 should be scored something like a 10-6

10-9 can be for rounds where you basically have to just pick a winner, also where very even one guy striking then other guy wrestling
10-8 for a round with a clear winner, but not significant damage
10-7 for a clear winner who significantly damaged or completely controlled opponent who could do any offense of his own
10-6 for a 1 sided round where it was close to being stopped
10-5 for rounds where it was close to being stopped more than once, or was a near murder but guy somehow saw the end bell

This would allow a fighter who destroyed a guy for two rounds to win a fight even if other pitter pattered him slightly more for 3

Also, would make it a lot easier for a ref to take a point for all the ball shots and eye pokes we see, since it wouldn’t completely determine the outcome of the fight

Exactly. They try to score it like boxing, but we have longer rounds, and less of them. A simple one point advantage isn’t enough. There needs to be levels to it. Until then, we’re going to continue to have difficult decisions.

 

[Ûdun Ghuephd]

Scoring is highly subject. Suspect results will forever occur so long as it remains as is. Every fight has people questioning the scoring as every person sees it a bit different.

 

[Robotnickx]

Make takedowns and octagon control worth less. I would even make octagon control irrelevant, especially with a cage. Problems solved.

 

[Thesnake101]

This is the exact reason they changed the scoring along with the rules, and planned on giving 10-8s more often. Don't know if a couple of draws happening afterwards spooked them, but they seem to have gone back to being as rare as Oezdemir not dissapointing me.

 

[NationWideNinja]

Agreed.

Also there should be a lot more draw rounds. A round where you basically have to pick someone and its a toss-up? Sounds like a draw round to me.

 

[Gmork]

10 point system makes sense in boxing. When there are only 3-5 rounds in MMA, it really doesn't work. I don't agree with going to PRIDE scoring, though. Their system was basically "give it to whoever you feel like."

 

[kingghidrah]

Half-point scoring

10-9 is still 10-9
10-8 is still 10-8
Really close but just leaning to one fighter = 10-9.5
"Was that a 10-8 round? Not quite" = 10-8.5

 

[egk]

The problem is too few rounds in MMA to come back from a big scoring differential. Boxing has many more rounds to come back from 10-8s or even 10-7 rounds. The best solution is still to score fights as a whole. Pride had it's problems but that was often from corruption not from the scoring system which emphasized damage and trying to finish the fight.

 

[fenway926]

10-9 can be for rounds where you basically have to just pick a winner, also where very even one guy striking then other guy wrestling and effectiveness seems balanced
10-8 for a round with a clear winner, but not significant damage

You gripe about 10-9 rounds, but then impliment an even worse 10-9 into your system. Your 10-9 sounds like a 10-10 where you flip a coin to decide winner of round (the coin being whether you are impartial to grappling or striking). Sounds similar to the current a shit show we witness regularly.

Also your 10-8 is the definition of current 10-9. Sounds like you can replace your 10-9 with an even 10-10, then drop all your other round scores down one level.

Extremely close rounds should basically be thrown out. More draws would occure initially, but i believe it would influence fighters to adapt more aggresive strategies in order to move up in rankings and get that win bonus.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

This is the exact reason they changed the scoring along with the rules, and planned on giving 10-8s more often. Don't know if a couple of draws happening afterwards spooked them, but they seem to have gone back to being as rare as Oezdemir not dissapointing me.

There were 2 last night. 10-8s are still much more liberal than before 2018.

 

[StanClarker]

Symptomatic of rules as dumb AF.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Max Holloway’s clear win with a drop in the first round gets scored no different than Volkanovski’s 4th round win with much less damage, or even the toss up round of the 3rd

There was no knock down scored in the fight.

 

[Bruce Lee666]

solution: Pride rules

ufc rules are rubbish, this is allowed but football kicking is not.

the rules of Pride are more fair.

 

[Gilday]

The unified rules when it comes to how the fight is scored IIRC depends on the following: Effective striking/grappling, aggressiveness and octagon control. So what if a point was given each round for whichever fighter won by each criteria?

So let's say one fighter is pushing forward for the round and lands the bigger shots while pressuring for 4 minutes, then gets taken down and held there for the last minute. That fighter would win a point for effective striking, aggressiveness and octagon control where as their opponent would get 1 point for effective grappling.

Obviously it's not perfect but it seems to make more sense to judge each criteria separately

 

[BJ@LW&WW]

agree with the thread title, but not the rest of the post.

the threshold to call something a 10-8 needs to be more consistent and easier to obtain.
and slight perceived advantages should result in less 10-9's and more 10-10s.

i think it is unnecessary to go to having even a 10-7 be a regular score. simply if 10-8s and 10-10s account for a larger proportion of rounds, fights should be more consistently scored and more representative of who 'won'.

 

[TITS]

Half points, bro. Get into it.

 

[The Legendary Scarface]

Half points is the way to go