Elections 538 drops Rasmussen Reports from its analysis

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Better late than never, I suppose. Here is a sample of Trump's approval rating after Jan 6th, according to various pollsters:

Quinnipiac: 34%
Gallup: 34%
Pew: 29%
Ipsos: 34%
Rasmussen: 51%


The poll aggregation and evaluation site 538, part of ABC News, dropped the right-wing polling firm Rasmussen Reports from inclusion in its polling averages and forecasts.

The decision comes after months of consideration that broke into public view in June. At that point, G. Elliott Morris, ABC News’s editorial director of data analytics and 538 lead, presented Rasmussen with questions meant to evaluate its objectivity and methodology. Rasmussen published the letter on its website, triggering backlash against 538 in right-wing media — and by Nate Silver, the founder of what was then called FiveThirtyEight. No change was implemented.

As time passed, though, Rasmussen’s inability to meet the standards set by 538 — and two dubious polls conducted for right-wing organizations — eventually led 538 to make the change this week...

For years, Rasmussen’s results have been more favorable for Republican candidates and issues. During the Trump administration, though, the site’s public presence became more overtly partisan, with tracking polls sponsored by conservative authors and causes and a social media presence that embraced false claims that spread widely on the right. At times, Rasmussen’s polls actively promoted those debunked claims, including ones centered on voter fraud.

Last March, for example, Rasmussen released data purporting to show that Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake (R) had won her gubernatorial election in November 2022. The route it took to get to that determination was circuitous and, to put it mildly, atypical. On behalf of the group College Republicans United, Rasmussen asked Arizona voters who they voted for in Lake’s race and, after weighting the results to exit polls — which is unusual — declared that, contrary to the certified tally, Kari Lake had won her race by eight points...

In November, 538 and ABC News updated its polls policy in advance of a January update to its pollster rankings. Written by Mary Radcliffe and Morris, the new policy stipulated, among other things, that:

“[p]ollsters must also be able to answer basic questions about their methodology, including but not limited to the polling mode used (e.g., telephone calls, text messages, online panels), the source of their sample, their weighting criteria and the source of the poll’s funding. In most cases, a detailed written methodology statement is sufficient to satisfy this criterion, but we may contact pollsters directly to clarify methodological details and follow up occasionally to ensure the pollster is still meeting our standards.”

A few weeks later, Rasmussen again published dubious poll results on behalf of a right-wing organization. This time, the findings alleged to have uncovered rampant fraud in 2020, including that 1 in 12 Americans had been offered “pay” or a “reward” for their vote. Trump and his allies celebrated the poll; again, the results do not comport with the reality of there being no demonstrable wide-scale vote-buying scheme at the state or national level.

“538 has a clear and thorough set of polling criteria which is published on the website,” an ABC News spokesperson said in a statement to The Washington Post. “When pollsters do not fit the criteria outlined in our policy, they can no longer be included in the statistical model.”

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The poll they mention in the 2nd to last paragraph was appealed to by multiple posters here, and fairly recently too.
 
LOL, what? Wasn't Rasmussen the most accurate predictor of the last two Presidential general elections specifically because it uses a more traditional landline-based sampling model than all the other pollsters?

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Media Bias Fact Check shows a 78% accuracy rating in predictive polling, and zero failed fact checks in the last five years. They're rated as Center-Right.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rasmussen-reports/
Meanwhile, the Public Policy Institute, for example, run by the PPP, boasts an 80% accuracy predictive polling rate. 538 attributes them a 2.5/3.0 polling score:
The Gallup is only 69% accurate, and is counted. You can peruse this on MBFC's page of pollsters which they have adopted from 538 itself:
 
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LOL, what? Wasn't Rasmussen the most accurate predictor of the last two Presidential general elections specifically because it uses a more traditional landline-based sampling model than all the other pollsters?

*Edit*
Media Bias Fact Check shows a 78% accuracy rating in predictive polling, and zero failed fact checks in the last five years. They're rated as Center-Right.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rasmussen-reports/
Meanwhile, the Public Policy Institute, for example, run by the PPP, boasts an 80% accuracy predictive polling rate. 538 attributes them a 2.5/3.0 polling score:
The Gallup is only 69% accurate, and is counted. You can peruse this on MBFC's page of pollsters which they have adopted from 538 itself:
Looks like Rasmussen's last poll for the 2020 presidential election had Biden +1 and he finished +4.5, so that was relatively close, but 538 doesn't appear to be criticizing Rasmussen for inaccurate presidential election predictions; instead, Rasmussen is being criticized, for example, for working with The Heart Land Institute to push election fraud claims; that is, "1 in 12 Americans had been offered “pay” or a “reward” for their vote."
 
Looks like Rasmussen's last poll for the 2020 presidential election had Biden +1 and he finished +4.5, so that was relatively close, but 538 doesn't appear to be criticizing Rasmussen for inaccurate presidential election predictions; instead, Rasmussen is being criticized, for example, for working with The Heart Land Institute to push election fraud claims; that is, "1 in 12 Americans had been offered “pay” or a “reward” for their vote."
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What do I care what storylines an outlet carries when considering their predictive accuracy as a pollster?
 
538 had them at a B+ and they have a high MBFC Credibility Ranking. Miss Nates old platform. Realclear is better now.
 
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LOL, what? Wasn't Rasmussen the most accurate predictor of the last two Presidential general elections specifically because it uses a more traditional landline-based sampling model than all the other pollsters?

*Edit*
Media Bias Fact Check shows a 78% accuracy rating in predictive polling, and zero failed fact checks in the last five years. They're rated as Center-Right.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rasmussen-reports/
Meanwhile, the Public Policy Institute, for example, run by the PPP, boasts an 80% accuracy predictive polling rate. 538 attributes them a 2.5/3.0 polling score:
The Gallup is only 69% accurate, and is counted. You can peruse this on MBFC's page of pollsters which they have adopted from 538 itself:
Don't think too much about it. 69% of statistics are made up.
 
lol, That’s tough for Biden as I think Rasmussen is the only one that consistently has his approval above 40 percent
 
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What do I care what storylines an outlet carries when considering their predictive accuracy as a pollster?
They aren't "storylines," they are other polls the pollster has conducted. That's like asking why you should care if someone peed in the deli's lemonade when their chicken salad seems to have come out fine.

If you want to judge the merits of a pollster's operation you look at their polls, and Rasmussen's obviously had some glaring problems. While Rasmussen may have done a satisfactory job on the last POTUS election, that is not a get out of jail free card for all their other shenanigans and their unwillingness to answer simple questions is the final nail in the coffin.
 
They aren't "storylines," they are other polls the pollster has conducted. That's like asking why you should care if someone peed in the deli's lemonade when their chicken salad seems to have come out fine.

If you want to judge the merits of a pollster's operation you look at their polls, and Rasmussen's obviously had some glaring problems. While Rasmussen may have done a satisfactory job on the last POTUS election, that is not a get out of jail free card for all their other shenanigans and their unwillingness to answer simple questions is the final nail in the coffin.
OMG, you can go and fuck right off with you feeble attempt to justify this.

They merely conducted polls they were commissioned to perform. And no, 538 offers no separate polls to discredit the integrity of their polls. No, it's the storylines those polls created for the groups that commissioned them which 538 finds intolerable. And because of that they are themselves the most guilty of partisan impudence, here. They call these polls "dubious", but they offer no evidence for why the polls are inaccurate.

The results of polls have never justified or validated the consensus of their polled population. Just because a majority believe something doesn't make it true. That's not what polls were ever designed to assess; only to quantify the nature of opinion itself. And the fact Republicans like Trump seize on poll results when the poll was almost certainly crafted to provide them that very ammunition makes them no different than Democrats with their own insidiously partisan polling bodies like the one I mentioned in my first post: the PPP. I can think of no other pollster that comes close to them in terms of the volume of polls crafted specifically to generate partisan ammunition.

530 has no justifiable, mathematical reason for dismissing Rasmussen. They seek to impugn Rasmussen by the expungement, nothing more.
 
OMG, you can go and fuck right off with you feeble attempt to justify this.

They merely conducted polls they were commissioned to perform. And no, 538 offers no separate polls to discredit the integrity of their polls.
They worked with the Heartland Institute - an organization famous for working with tobacco companies to lie about the health risks of second hand smoke, before moving on to lie about climate change - and released poll results stating 1 in 12 Americans claim they received money or some kind of rewards to vote a certain way.

Then they go on Steve Bannon's podcast to promote it.

No, it's the storylines those polls created for the groups that commissioned them which 538 finds intolerable. And because of that they are themselves the most guilty of partisan impudence, here. They call these polls "dubious", but they offer no evidence for why the polls are inaccurate.
Did you read the OP or the article? 538 asked Rasmussen several questions about their methodology and they refused to answer. They couldn't meet the standards set by 538 in their polls policy, so they were removed. Tadaaa.
The results of polls have never justified or validated the consensus of their polled population. Just because a majority believe something doesn't make it true. That's not what polls were ever designed to assess; only to quantify the nature of opinion itself. And the fact Republicans like Trump seize on poll results when the poll was almost certainly crafted to provide them that very ammunition makes them no different than Democrats with their own insidiously partisan polling bodies like the one I mentioned in my first post: the PPP. I can think of no other pollster that comes close to them in terms of the volume of polls crafted specifically to generate partisan ammunition.

530 has no justifiable, mathematical reason for dismissing Rasmussen. They seek to impugn Rasmussen by the expungement, nothing more.
 
They worked with the Heartland Institute - an organization famous for working with tobacco companies to lie about the health risks of second hand smoke, before moving on to lie about climate change - and released poll results stating 1 in 12 Americans claim they received money or some kind of rewards to vote a certain way.

Then they go on Steve Bannon's podcast to promote it.
Again, who gives a shit? I don't find those poll results outlandish. People lie. Questions are framed in such a way to produce misleading results. For example:
Do you know a friend, family member, co-worker, or other acquaintance who has admitted to you that he or she cast a mail-in ballot in 2020 in a state other than his or her state of permanent residence?

Unscrupulous people, who desperately want the narratives they're hearing on FOX News or other channels to be true, are afforded a sort of tactit permission by wordings like these. Oh, they 'heard'...through the grapevine...from a co-worker, a friend, a friend of a friend, a cousin's brother's teammate on a basketball rec team's bandmate, etc etc.

And groups of people, incorporated or otherwise, often co-opt institutions like pollsters with ulterior motives. This is all par for the course.
Did you read the OP or the article? 538 asked Rasmussen several questions about their methodology and they refused to answer. They couldn't meet the standards set by 538 in their polls policy, so they were removed. Tadaaa.
Did you? Even the part you selected for the OP? You mean they couldn't meet the standards 538 invented as a pretense to disqualify Rasmussen?
 
LOL, what? Wasn't Rasmussen the most accurate predictor of the last two Presidential general elections specifically because it uses a more traditional landline-based sampling model than all the other pollsters?

*Edit*
Media Bias Fact Check shows a 78% accuracy rating in predictive polling, and zero failed fact checks in the last five years. They're rated as Center-Right.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rasmussen-reports/
Meanwhile, the Public Policy Institute, for example, run by the PPP, boasts an 80% accuracy predictive polling rate. 538 attributes them a 2.5/3.0 polling score:
The Gallup is only 69% accurate, and is counted. You can peruse this on MBFC's page of pollsters which they have adopted from 538 itself:

Right Wing Pollster = We don’t like their findings

lol…

 
I'm OK with whatever undemocratic shit we need to do to preserve our sacred Democracy™.
 
Well, this just seems like more unfairness to the right wingers in America. When will this seemingly eternal oppression end!?
 
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