Do You Feel That Usman Is In Fact The Best P4P??? I'm Not Sure I Do.

[GoshiShun17]

First of all, if you are one of those people who don't believe in P4P, or you don't understand the concept, or you just hate it, then please exit now.

Now as far as Usman is concerned, there is no doubt that the man is damned good and perhaps still growing. But when I think of P4P best or most skilled, I think of someone with a more diversified skillset.

The phrase in Basketball nowadays is "he's in his bag". Basically meaning the player has a lot of go to moves and tricks up his sleeve.

Now comparing Usman to past greats like GSP and Anderson Silva. I'm sure Usman would be a tough fight and he could probably get a win over those guys on his best day. But as far as skills and tools go, it seemed that those guys had a lot more in their bag.

Now obviously it doesn't matter how many tricks one has but rather what is most effective so I could be completely wrong here and most might disagree with me.

 

[GoshiShun17]

Also I'd like to add that Leon will beat him. People are sleeping on Edwards just like Frankie Edgar was slept on before his fight with BJ Penn.

 

[GoshiShun17]

Also I'd like to add that Usman was only pushed up because Izzy got beat at 205.

 

[Kyojiro Kagenuma]

Who could possibly be above him? He has more title defenses and more dominance.

Leons not beating him

 

[Sonny Qc]

Well maybe cause he's a champ and he's on a 18 fights win streak.

Can't say his run as champ is an impressive one so far tho.
5 defense over the 3 guys. meh.

Hoping Bobby K wins for him to go up one day tho.

 

[svmr_db]

Petr Yan looks close to becoming #1 P4P imo but he'll need to beat Dillashaw & a few more names for people to recognize it.

Very concerning that Usman let Colby back into the fight after dropping him 2x in round 2, Colby was buzzing him with some pretty good shots late in the fight.

 

[MCS]

He has 6 straight title fight wins and is dominant in them. Also in a old, established division with lineage. He looks incredibly hard to beat, has great wrestling and good striking with endless cardio. Is very strong.

 

[GoshiShun17]

Petr Yan looks close to becoming #1 P4P imo but he'll need to beat Dillashaw & a few more names for people to recognize it.

Very concerning that Usman let Colby back into the fight after dropping him 2x in round 2, Colby was buzzing him with some pretty good shots late in the fight.

Totally agree. Peter Yan is definitely someone I can grade as top P4P. His performances have been next level against highly skilled opposition. Hopefully no more boneheaded fouls.

 

[GoshiShun17]

Who could possibly be above him? He has more title defenses and more dominance.

Leons not beating him

He has 6 straight title fight wins and is dominant in them. Also in a old, established division with lineage. He looks incredibly hard to beat, has great wrestling and good striking with endless cardio. Is very strong.

Are number title defenses absolute proof that you are the most skilled across weight classes???

It certainly makes a case that his skillset is perhaps the most effective.

 

[Bouboumaster]

As of right now, it's either him or Bullet

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

As of right now, it's either him or Bullet

Great, let’s have her fight Figueiredo or Moreno and see what happens

 

[DS66]

Usman's the guy now, there really isn't a ton of argument for anyone else. He's cleaned out the entire WW division, which is historically one of the deeper divisions. He's beaten elite strikers and elite grapplers. He decides where every fight goes and is always in control. His MMA wrestling is as good as anyone's in the sport, he has legit one punch KO power, his striking is significantly improved, his cardio and pace is the elite of the elite, and he has the championship mindset and mentality.

I will say that Petr Yan, Volkanovski, and Izzy aren't super far behind. But Usman's prolonged dominance is a cut above right now (maybe not too much longer considering he's 34 and has bad knees).

 

[SmoothPies]

Trying to talk about just skillsets in P4P is really hard. Petr Yan skill-wise is 5x the fighter Francis is for example, but he is also so much smaller and has more control over his body because of it.

It would be cool if P4P was just about skillset, but the other half of the equation is current standings/what have you done recently. Usman is the sitting WW champ, and has defended it multiple times, looking dominant with a bunch of finishes in those defenses. On paper, he's probably the #1 P4P fighter - although Volk has a decent argument.

However - I do COMPLETELY agree with you about your comparison to GSP/Silva - they had a better skillset than Usman does.

 

[humdizzle]

you don't need to have the best skills to be #1 P4P

ngannou is like what #4 or something? its not because of his diverse skillset...

Usman is clearly the #1 right now.
He already beat Leon once
Leon got rocked by Nate

Since they last fought it looks to me like usman has made more improvements to his game as well.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Great, let’s have her fight Figueiredo or Moreno and see what happens

We are talking about pound-4-pound here and Bullet pretty much cleaned her own division, like Usman. Izzy has done it too but he got a loss recently.

Why so incel?
By your argument, I raise you with Ngannou.
So is Ngannou the p4p best fighter?

 

[Celeron]

As far as skill sets, no I don’t think he is P4P the best. But as far as accomplishments, then yes he is currently number 1.

 

[kflo]

Let’s take a made up construct with no real definition and debate whether the leader in the made up construct is factually the leader…..or not.

 

[Kyojiro Kagenuma]

Great, let’s have her fight Figueiredo or Moreno and see what happens

Ok, let's have Yan fight Usman then too lol

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

We are talking about pound-4-pound here and Bullet pretty much cleaned her own division, like Usman. Izzy has done it too but he got a loss recently.

You could build a city in the gap between women’s 125 and men’s 170/185, though.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Ok, let's have Yan fight Usman then too lol

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