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Seems that the media and most folks are saying costa missed weight and he is unprofessional etc.

taking a step back and removing the broken English media days and the last minute changes to the bout.

costa for what ever reason cant make 185 saturday. so his manager and marvins manager work things out between them and the fighters to make a NEW contract. which is not being pointed out by the media.
the numbers and percentages of the purses are not relevant here. they just happened to agree on a 20% number which is the same % as a 1-2.5 lb miss. i think if its 3+ its 30% and so on. (maybe wrong on that)
either way not relevant.
what is relevant to us is, they have a new contract which is now at LHW and costa in fact weighed UNDER the contracted limit and DID NOT miss weight.

imo this is the definition of handling things professionally giving the circumstances.
costa missing weight would have been unprofessional. costa pulling out and costing both guys a pay day, also unprofessional.
getting a new contract and both guys get paid and all agreements met on paper pre fight.
how is this unprofessional?
 
BigTruck said:
Agreeing to weight you couldn't/had no intention of making is unprofessional no matter how you look at it.
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is it fair to assume that he knew he couldnt day he signed though?
which thats all we can do is speculate on the why and when. costa playing heel doesnt help the opinion, but thats all he did was play heel.
maybe it was an injury or a sickness a week or two out?
if he indeed signed knowing he couldnt and baited a switch last min. shame on him scumbag move.
 
also i still got marvin to beat his ass. that part never changed. and i dont think this hinders marvin in any way. in fact marvin handled this very well i think
 
pride_rules said:
Seems that the media and most folks are saying costa missed weight and he is unprofessional etc.

taking a step back and removing the broken English media days and the last minute changes to the bout.

costa for what ever reason cant make 185 saturday. so his manager and marvins manager work things out between them and the fighters to make a NEW contract. which is not being pointed out by the media.
the numbers and percentages of the purses are not relevant here. they just happened to agree on a 20% number which is the same % as a 1-2.5 lb miss. i think if its 3+ its 30% and so on. (maybe wrong on that)
either way not relevant.
what is relevant to us is, they have a new contract which is now at LHW and costa in fact weighed UNDER the contracted limit and DID NOT miss weight.

imo this is the definition of handling things professionally giving the circumstances.
costa missing weight would have been unprofessional. costa pulling out and costing both guys a pay day, also unprofessional.
getting a new contract and both guys get paid and all agreements met on paper pre fight.
how is this unprofessional?
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dog shit
 
Seriously? Your example is just indicative of Marvin being a professional going beyond his duty. Both fighters agreed to the weight months ago, and with a few days left, Costa who obviously made no serious attempt to cut the weight came in without a shred of shame or regret and said the fight happens at 195, take it or leave it. Then has the balls to backtrack and make it 205.

Even during the interviews Costa had the nerve to say him not making weight was Marvin's issue, not his.
 
If someone was caught stealing something and arrested, but then offered to pay for the item, would you be okay with that? Is it no longer stealing?
 
pride_rules said:
Seems that the media and most folks are saying costa missed weight and he is unprofessional etc.

taking a step back and removing the broken English media days and the last minute changes to the bout.

costa for what ever reason cant make 185 saturday. so his manager and marvins manager work things out between them and the fighters to make a NEW contract. which is not being pointed out by the media.
the numbers and percentages of the purses are not relevant here. they just happened to agree on a 20% number which is the same % as a 1-2.5 lb miss. i think if its 3+ its 30% and so on. (maybe wrong on that)
either way not relevant.
what is relevant to us is, they have a new contract which is now at LHW and costa in fact weighed UNDER the contracted limit and DID NOT miss weight.

imo this is the definition of handling things professionally giving the circumstances.
costa missing weight would have been unprofessional. costa pulling out and costing both guys a pay day, also unprofessional.
getting a new contract and both guys get paid and all agreements met on paper pre fight.
how is this unprofessional?
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Everyone knows everything you just said. Seriously. It’s all been reported and discussed in full detail.

You’re just doing a silly twist on a semantics debate is all. “He didn’t MISS weight der herrr….”

Look. Showing up on fight week with no intention of making weight and forcing your opponent to either suddenly change the contractual fight or not fight at all, does not make Costa the innocent bystander you are attempting to portray.
 
baba2008 said:
If someone was caught stealing something and arrested, but then offered to pay for the item, would you be okay with that? Is it no longer stealing?
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lets be more accurate here.
if the thief then OFFERED 20% MORE FOR THE ITEM while in the back truly explaining the situation and then the shop keeper decides to ACCEPT the terms. fuck yeah i am okay with it. thats a deal worked out amongst 2 grown ups no cops needed here
 
pride_rules said:
lets be more accurate here.
if the thief then OFFERED 20% MORE FOR THE ITEM while in the back truly explaining the situation and then the shop keeper decides to ACCEPT the terms. fuck yeah i am okay with it. thats a deal worked out amongst 2 grown ups no cops needed here
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I'll agree to a point. It doesn't make it less dishonest however, and I believe Costa was dishonest about the 'original' 185 lb fight from day one.
 
Kvothe_the_kingkiller said:
Everyone knows everything you just said. Seriously. It’s all been reported and discussed in full detail.

You’re just doing a silly twist on a semantics debate is all. “He didn’t MISS weight der herrr….”

Look. Showing up on fight week with no intention of making weight and forcing your opponent to either suddenly change the contractual fight or not fight at all, does not make Costa the innocent bystander you are attempting to portray.
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you remember when cowboy openly said "if you are going to miss weight, call me. i will miss weight with you"
i think costa made that phone call before media day. we just didnt know about it until then.
he didnt call him 10 min before scale time neither guy was cutting at the time. clearly. marvin was the same size if not bigger at stare downs.
and what is der herr ? is that a derogative towards mentally handicapped or?
 
pride_rules said:
lets be more accurate here.
if the thief then OFFERED 20% MORE FOR THE ITEM while in the back truly explaining the situation and then the shop keeper decides to ACCEPT the terms. fuck yeah i am okay with it. thats a deal worked out amongst 2 grown ups no cops needed here
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Except your missing an entire power imbalance issue.

Vittori has to accept. Oh sure he CAN decline (using the same sort of logic twisting you use in the OP), but for all intents and purposes he is forced to accept a new fight, or commit career suicide.

Real cool of Costa, huh? Now I’m not pretending Costa created these power imbalances, but he put his opponent between a rock and a hard place.
 
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