Gaethje and Oliveira are not that great, it's just that Tony sucks now.

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The title pretty much sums it up. Don't let this Oliveira win cloud your mind. I still think Islam Makhachev would be a real problem for Charles.
 
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I knew tony was never the same after that leg surgery when i saw him coming back in few months getting knocked down by pettis and having a competitive fight with cowboy
I thought it was crazy people still think he had a shot against khabib despite all of that
 
Yeah conor and dustin are the only two good fighters in that division. Everyone else sucks.
 
i'd say it has more to do with tony not being able to dictate where the fight takes place. his offensive wrestling is nonexistent.

so gaethje, who was better boxer, could light him up on the feet without being afraid of any grappling exchanges. oliveira, who was the better ground fighter, could put him there and clown him.

nothing has really changed with tony. he's just facing people who know how to exploit the holes in his game.
 
MMAFAN2 said:
I knew tony was never the same after that leg surgery when i saw him coming back in few months getting knocked down by pettis and having a competitive fight with cowboy
I thought it was crazy people still think he had a shot against khabib despite all of that
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As of right now I feel like even Kevin Lee would beat Tony.
 
Oliveira striking has improved, he took some losses but he's alot sharper now.

Future Champ since Khabib is retired.
 
randomg1t said:
i'd say it has more to do with tony not being able to dictate where the fight takes place. his offensive wrestling is nonexistent.

so gaethje, who was better boxer, could light him up on the feet without being afraid of any grappling exchanges. oliveira, who was the better ground fighter, could put him there and clown him.

nothing has really changed with tony. he's just facing people who know how to exploit the holes in his game.
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Stop with all this fuckin logic and common sense.
 
MMAFAN2 said:
I knew tony was never the same after that leg surgery when i saw him coming back in few months getting knocked down by pettis and having a competitive fight with cowboy
I thought it was crazy people still think he had a shot against khabib despite all of that
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Man all the pettis fight did is get people amped the fuck up to see Tony take on the winner of the main event that night
 
Tony is still great, it's just that Gaethje has better striking and Oliveira is better at literally everything. Ferguson vs Khabib would have been an awesome fight, but Oliveira is a much bigger threat to Khabib than Ferguson has ever been.
 
daniel san said:
Tony is still great, it's just that Gaethje has better striking and Oliveira is better at literally everything. Ferguson vs Khabib would have been an awesome fight, but Oliveira is a much bigger threat to Khabib than Ferguson has ever been.
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I believe Khabib would be much more durable in a five round fight. Oliveira would not be able to endure Khabib's insane pace for five rounds. Khabib is a master on the ground and can hold you down for long periods of time.
 
Wait, Ferguson isn’t that great but Davi Ramos and Arman Tsarukyan are? Those are Islam’s last two wins, all the way back in 2019. Has he ever even beaten someone ranked before? Why is this guy even ranked in the top 15, much less being talked about in the same sentence as Olivera and Gaethje? Back of the line peasant!
 
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Tony has definitely regressed, but it shouldn't take too much away from Gaethje's and Oliveira's performance. They put on a boxing and grappling clinic respectively. Also people should stop discrediting the opposing fighter as soon as someone wins in a dominant fashion.
 
Alexnotonfire said:
I believe Khabib would be much more durable in a five round fight. Oliveira would not be able to endure Khabib's insane pace for five rounds. Khabib is a master on the ground and can hold you down for long periods of time.
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Agreed and Oliveira struggles with powerful grapplers, just look at the beatdown Felder gave him.
 
Even just how he looks... he looks like an old fucking guy now.. he almost looks like a cancer survivor or some shit

the old tony had a glow about him
 
randomg1t said:
i'd say it has more to do with tony not being able to dictate where the fight takes place. his offensive wrestling is nonexistent.

so gaethje, who was better boxer, could light him up on the feet without being afraid of any grappling exchanges. oliveira, who was the better ground fighter, could put him there and clown him.

nothing has really changed with tony. he's just facing people who know how to exploit the holes in his game.
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Underrated post
 
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