Why do fighters still bother to run for "cardio"

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I mean, I get that running is important in boxing where they fight longer and where there isn't as much to learn as in mma anyway, so they have time for that, but can somebody fucking explain to me why MMA fighters are still running?
They have so much things to work on technically, there is noone in the world who has elite level boxing, kickboxing, wrestling and bjj at the same time, so why don't they try to work more on technique.

And as far as cardio goes, there are so many better/more specific ways to work on that.
Bjj drills, non stop flow wrestling, high intensity Dutch drills on the bag, if done correctly, those things will ramp your heart rate up as much as running, in addition to developping your technique and not putting wear and tear on your body as much as running does.
Grapplers don't run (not speaking about wrestlers but about jitters, Adcc guys). Some intelligent kickboxers, like Bazooka Joe, don't run either, for the very same reasons I just enounced. So why in the world would guys who have such big holes in their game as far as technique goes (which is normal, you can't be good at everything) still waste time with running?


Btw, I'm of course speaking about long distance running, not speaking of short sprints, which can be useful, though not indispensable


Edit (because some sherbros have clearly misunderstood me and jump into the thread thinking I'm a troll)
To make everything clear
1) I don't hate anyone because they run, I occasionnaly run myself as it can be a good stress releaser
2) I know how hard running is and what a good cardio it gives you


First of all, we have to agree on what we call "cardio". If cardio is only measured from a "clinical" standpoint, where they look at your resting heart rate, your left ventricle strength or whatsoever, then, yes, running is great. Even among endurance athletes, runners have the better hearts (the difference isn't as big as some believe it to be though) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/well/move/heart-health-swimming-running-exercise.html
Of course, studies haven't been made on guys who would replace their 1h of running by 1h of non stop steady shadowboxing, heavy bag, wrestling drills etc. but let's admit someone who would run 3* 1h a week would have a "stronger" heart than someone who does that type of martial arts adapted training for the exact same amount of time.

With that being said, having the "strongest" heart because a physician tells you so doesn't win you fights. What we generally call "cardio" is also about movement efficiency, relaxation etc., things that come with muscle memory and proper technique. As I said it before, who do you think is gonna gas first in a fight between your typical mid tier UFC fighter and Kipchoge (marathon world record holder)? I bet you it's Kipchoge, because he would be so uncoordinated it would take him three times the energy of the UFC guy to perform the same move.

To sum this up I would say this:
Take Fighter A and Fighter B. Fighter A and Fighter B are the exact same guys, same height, reach, weight, experience, etc.
Fighter A trains for 3 hours a day and runs 1h after that. Fighter B also trains for 3 hours a day (doing the exact same training), but instead of running afterwards, he puts in one hour of steady shadowboxing, Dutch drill, bjj and wrestling drills etc.
Let them do that for 2 years.
After those 2 years are over, Fighter A and Fighter B fight each other.
What I think is that fighter B would show better "cardio" than Fighter A. Because the "stronger" heart A would have got from jogging would have become irrelevant compared to the extra relaxation/smoothness etc. that fighter B would have got from all the adapted cardio. Not to mention he would have less wear and tear on his body than Fighter A, especially if our fighters are bigger guys.



Of course, there is a state where you will become so proficient from a technical standpoint that you will no longer benefit a lot from working on your technique. If you're Floyd and do the exact same sport since you are 5, you ain't becoming much better from a technical standpoint, so work more on your cardio. But when you have to be good in wrestling, bjj, fence wrestling, kickboxing, muay thai and boxing, I don't think you can afford that to that extent.
 
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Man my coach used to be like that, now he runs 5 miles as a warm up. I hate it cause that means I have to get on a treadmill
 
Man my coach used to be like that, now he runs 5 miles as a warm up. I hate it cause that means I have to get on a treadmill
Treadmills are so fucking boring, it's a fucking nightmare to run on that.
I mean, are they all that perfect that they don't know what to work on anymore so they run? Are they already a combination of Saenchai, Mayweather, Burroughs and Marcelo Garcia?
 
Nothing kills technique faster than gassing.
True but
1) You can get tremedous cardio by working on sport specific things, like wall walking, Dutch drills, flow wrestling, bjj drills, etc
2) The more proficient you are at something, the less tired you get. Put the Marathon World Champ, who must have a 30 BPM resting heart rate, and incredible VO2 max etc. against your typical out of shape UFC fighter, and I bet you he is gassing before the UFC guy, irregardless of getting his ass kicked
 
floyd runs 6 miles everyday,bjj drills to improve cardio? are you kidding me?
Notice I have said that IMO it made more sense to run as a boxer than it does as a MMA fighter
2) Floyd runs, yes, but was it that who made him great? How much of a role did running played in his greatness?
3) No I'm not kidding and many intelligent dudes say the same thing, like Zahabi or Bazzoka Joe

There is nothing wrong with running from time to time, especially when you have to cut weight, but running 6 miles a day as an mma fighter is nuts IMO
 
True but
1) You can get tremedous cardio by working on sport specific things, like wall walking, Dutch drills, flow wrestling, bjj drills, etc
This is so wrong.


There are only two proven ways to get superhero level cardio.
1. Running through Philly followed by crowds of fans.
2. Racing Apollo Creed on the beach.

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Treadmills are so fucking boring, it's a fucking nightmare to run on that.
I mean, are they all that perfect that they don't know what to work on anymore so they run? Are they already a combination of Saenchai, Mayweather, Burroughs and Marcelo Garcia?

Well it does help, especially if footwork and moving is apart of your game. I can do 10 hard rounds on the bag or just drill technique, and not be that gassed. But put me on a treadmill and I fade quick. Me personally, I rather do airline bike
 
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