Is yoel cut indicative of new emerging corporate culture at UFC?

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Cutting an older guy with a decently large salary, boring fight style, and a guy who could possibly steal a title and/or destroy a few contenders is a typical corporate move.

During normal corporate cuts, old people with higher salaries and middle management jobs are typically cut first.

I understand how you justify it from a corporate perspective, but as a fight promoter, how the fuck can you cut one of the top guys ?? (Assuming there isn't any other stuff going on in the background like a USADA violation)

This reeks. UFC is getting a little too big for its britches. Thinks people just wanna see unskilled dopes bashing each other's brains in, so they hire a bunch of noobs and fire all the old talent.

I dont like this one bit. If they cut another one of my favorite vets like the Reem I may just stop watching altogether.
 
hedidhisownstunts said:
Yoel has neither shown that he will steal a title nor destroy contenders. it's a normal move, period. retirement is expected from fighters at 40.
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He had like what 3 fights left on his contract ? They could have waited to drop him...

And I disagree, he could still starch a few contenders and on another day beat Izri
 
hedidhisownstunts said:
Yoel has neither shown that he will steal a title nor destroy contenders. it's a normal move, period. retirement is expected from fighters at 40.
sometimes the ref has to step in or the corner throw the title. just how it goes.
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He came very close to taking that title several times.

And he almost certainly took time off whitakers career.
 
I'm sure like any other corporation they extensive analytics. Those analytics showed his salary versus age versus profitability wasn't good hence he got cut. Some good fights in Bellator or One so I'm good.
 
Assman66 said:
Yoel was cut for losing 4 of his last fights, being 40 and wasting an undeserved title shot by doing nothing.
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There are lies, damn lies, and statistics, as the saying goes.

Those 4 fights were all very close and he arguably won a number of them.

Talk about 4 losses not telling the whole story ...

He didn't waste the title shot. He was the only one actually throwing bombs whole Israel literally sprinted away with his back turned toward him. Iz threw leg kicks and ran the entire fight
 
I’m not sure that’s an example of what a corporation does. This isn’t like old people who underperform vs young people who will do 2x as much work for less money. That’s what corporations do. If Yoel brings in numbers why would ufc care if he gets a title or starches hype jobs. There’s always more hype jobs. And sooner or later his age catches up to him and he gets starched himself. You really can’t compare this to a normal corporate situation. The fight game isn’t normal.
 
NoStoneUnturned said:
I'm sure like any other corporation they extensive analytics. Those analytics showed his salary versus age versus profitability wasn't good hence he got cut. Some good fights in Bellator or One so I'm good.
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You realize how lame that is? Some anemic low-T nerds in a boardroom cutting real men, fighters who have poured their blood, sweat, and tears into the sport ?

This is why the UFC has to be brought down to size by a regulatory body or something. They have way too much power , see Couture speaking before Congress to get the idea, he lays it out
 
DivineMind said:
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics, as the saying goes.

Those 4 fights were all very close and he arguably won a number of them.

Talk about 4 losses not telling the whole story ...

He didn't waste the title shot. He was the only one actually throwing bombs whole Israel literally sprinted away with his back turned toward him. Iz threw leg kicks and ran the entire fight
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Yeah and the stats show 4/5 of his last fights lost. Your opinion doesn't count. The judges' does.

Throwing one punch while standing in the middle for 4 minutes each round is called doing fuck all.
 
DivineMind said:
Cutting an older guy with a decently large salary, boring fight style, and a guy who could possibly steal a title and/or destroy a few contenders is a typical corporate move.

During normal corporate cuts, old people with higher salaries and middle management jobs are typically cut first.

I understand how you justify it from a corporate perspective, but as a fight promoter, how the fuck can you cut one of the top guys ?? (Assuming there isn't any other stuff going on in the background like a USADA violation)

This reeks. UFC is getting a little too big for its britches. Thinks people just wanna see unskilled dopes bashing each other's brains in, so they hire a bunch of noobs and fire all the old talent.

I dont like this one bit. If they cut another one of my favorite vets like the Reem I may just stop watching altogether.
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He probably got a pay bump to fight Izzy, and wanted to be paid that for the rest of his contract.

They probably don’t want to pay him that kind of money to headline a fight night. And it’s not like he’s going to improve significantly at this point. At his age and experience level he’s not going to improve by leaps and bounds between fights, what you see is what you get. And he’s lost that shiny appeal he had when he first came in. He’s a solid addition to the division, but he’s gotta be making shogun/overeem kinda money after all these big fights in a row, but he’s not got that kind of draw If you ask me. He hasn’t really gotten any big finishes lately. The costa fight was fireworks, but the Izzy fight was not. And he’s felt extremely tentative in a lot of his outings. He also has a history of pulling out or getting injured before the fight. Now, of course, I don’t entirely fault him for any of those things. But from the perspective of a businessman like Dana that’s a lot of problems to deal with for a guy who has fights left on his contract and wants a raise after a fight that was ultimately terrible. I did a poll after the fight and posters felt like the stock of both guys went down significantly. That includes Izzy who got the W and title defense.
 
Yep said:
I’m not sure that’s an example of what a corporation does. This isn’t like old people who underperform vs young people who will do 2x as much work for less money. That’s what corporations do. If Yoel brings in numbers why would ufc care if he gets a title or starches hype jobs. There’s always more hype jobs. And sooner or later his age catches up to him and he gets starched himself. You really can’t compare this to a normal corporate situation. The fight game isn’t normal.
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That's exactly what this is. Khamzat makes pennies, brings in a lot of hype. Yoel makes a lot more and probably has less hype at this point
 
Assman66 said:
Yeah and the stats show 4/5 of his last fights lost. Your opinion doesn't count. The judges' does.

Throwing one punch while standing in the middle for 4 minutes each round is called doing fuck all.
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Move along white belt, if you're just gonna ignore my points
 
DivineMind said:
Cutting an older guy with a decently large salary, boring fight style, and a guy who could possibly steal a title and/or destroy a few contenders is a typical corporate move.

During normal corporate cuts, old people with higher salaries and middle management jobs are typically cut first.

I understand how you justify it from a corporate perspective, but as a fight promoter, how the fuck can you cut one of the top guys ?? (Assuming there isn't any other stuff going on in the background like a USADA violation)

This reeks. UFC is getting a little too big for its britches. Thinks people just wanna see unskilled dopes bashing each other's brains in, so they hire a bunch of noobs and fire all the old talent.

I dont like this one bit. If they cut another one of my favorite vets like the Reem I may just stop watching altogether.
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I think it is hard to say what this cut is indicative of. The UFC generally doesn't cut big name fighters unless absolutely unavoidable (like BJ or Barao), which obviously isn't Romero's case. We don't know what happens behind the scenes, maybe Romero made some demands they didn't want to accommodate or refused an opponent or something else entirely.

That said, I'd hardly call Romero a "top guy" in 2020. The guy is 43 years old and has dropped 3 in a row to the top guys of his division (Israel, Costa and Whitaker). Especially his performance and antics in the Adesanya fight hurt his stock significantly imho.
 
Zebra Cheeks said:
He probably got a pay bump to fight Izzy, and wanted to be paid that for the rest of his contract.

They probably don’t want to pay him that kind of money to headline a fight night. And it’s not like he’s going to improve significantly at this point. At his age and experience level he’s not going to improve by leaps and bounds between fights, what you see is what you get. And he’s lost that shiny appeal he had when he first came in. He’s a solid addition to the division, but he’s gotta be making shogun/overeem kinda money after all these big fights in a row, but he’s not got that kind of draw If you ask me. He hasn’t really gotten any big finishes lately. The costa fight was fireworks, but the Izzy fight was not. And he’s felt extremely tentative in a lot of his outings. He also has a history of pulling out or getting injured before the fight. Now, of course, I don’t entirely fault him for any of those things. But from the perspective of a businessman like Dana that’s a lot of problems to deal with for a guy who has fights left on his contract and wants a raise after a fight that was ultimately terrible. I did a poll after the fight and posters felt like the stock of both guys went down significantly. That includes Izzy who got the W and title defense.
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Yea but this kind of disagreement (salary) would normally be resolved in negotiations. From the Kawa statement, the unilateral UFC action was announced with no warning or notice. So no negotiations happened
 
youllneverwalkalone said:
I think it is hard to say what this cut is indicative of. The UFC generally doesn't cut big name fighters unless absolutely unavoidable (like BJ or Barao), which obviously isn't Romero's case. We don't know what happens behind the scenes, maybe Romero made some demands they didn't want to accommodate or refused an opponent or something else entirely.

That said, I'd hardly call Romero a "top guy" in 2020. The guy is 43 years old and has dropped 3 in a row to the top guys of his division (Israel, Costa and Whitaker). Especially his performance and antics in the Adesanya fight hurt his stock significantly imho.
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He arguably beat the champ and he's not a top guy?????? Give me a break
 
DivineMind said:
Yea but this kind of disagreement would normally be resolved in negotiations. From the Kawa statement, the unilateral UFC action was announced with no warning or notice.
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The ufc can release anyone from their contract at anytime. It’s in the contract. Think of all the contender guys who get cut. The ufc needs this ability to maintain card quality. At the same time, when it comes to Yoel, they simply didn’t like the contract I’m guessing.
 
DivineMind said:
That's exactly what this is. Khamzat makes pennies, brings in a lot of hype. Yoel makes a lot more and probably has less hype at this point
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It’s definitely a possibility. I’m assuming he’s still popular of course. If he’s not popular then there’s no real comparison. It doesn’t matter if he kills contenders or not. It’s why the fight game has gate keepers. But I definitely see your point and I’m not saying it’s not in The realm of possibilities. I think if that’s the plan then it will bring forth the end of the ufc. You gotta have the best guys or at minimum the perceived best guys. There has to be names to beat to build these hype jobs up
 
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