Media Luke Thomas claims Fedor is still HW GOAT

[JustBleed69]

Cliffs

• Debate is somewhat murky because of several factors, but for him Fedor edges the HW GOAT claim.
• Reasons why HW GOAT claim is murky: Different time periods, UFC vs Pride/ Strikeforce
• The eye test (Cain or DC might be most talented HWs, but dont have the body of work compared to Fedor or Stipe)
• Great catalogue of wins coupled with bad losses, ie. Werdum beats Cain and Fedor but has losses to several people unavenged
• For him the only real arguement is Fedor or Stipe because of longevity in the division + body of work

I tend to agree, but believe especially if Stipe wins it could be a 1. A., 1. B. type scenario for Fedor/ Stipe.

 

[Mr.Maelstrom]

He's right on this, it's still Fedor imo.

 

[FireKidWS]

Some dudes around here will never turn from Fedor, even if Stipe won his next 5 in a row.

Nostalgia is a powerful thing.

 

[Iron Nick]

I agree that it's still Fedor, not just based on resume, but probably also ability.

I do feel that other people underrate Cormier and Miocic in terms of ability though, especially the former.

 

[JustBleed69]

I agree that it's still Fedor, not just based on resume, but probably also ability.

I do feel that other people underrate Cormier and Miocic in terms of ability though, especially the former.

Imo prime DC beats Fedor handily, probbbbbably Stipe as well, but Fedor does have a larger body of work which is why I don't push back too hard on the claim.

 

[kenetics]

Cliffs

• Debate is somewhat murky because of several factors, but for him Fedor edges the HW GOAT claim.
• Reasons why HW GOAT claim is murky: Different time periods, UFC vs Pride/ Strikeforce
• The eye test (Cain or DC might be most talented HWs, but dont have the body of work compared to Fedor or Stipe)
• Great catalogue of wins coupled with bad losses, ie. Werdum beats Cain and Fedor but has losses to several people unavenged
• For him the only real arguement is Fedor or Stipe because of longevity in the division + body of work

I tend to agree, but believe especially if Stipe wins it could be a 1. A., 1. B. type scenario for Fedor/ Stipe.

Fedor had a crazy skill set when he was in his prime. The closets to come to him was probably Cain.

 

[kenetics]

Imo prime DC beats Fedor handily, probbbbbably Stipe as well, but Fedor does have a larger body of work which is why I don't push back too hard on the claim.

DC maybe stipe no. Stipe is chinny and nowhere near the atheltism Fedor had in his prime.

 

[Spath]

Why is this even a discussion? It’s the general consensus that Fedor is number one heavyweight ever, no one is really near him.

 

[Iron Nick]

DC maybe stipe no. Stipe is chinny and nowhere near the atheltism Fedor had in his prime.

I agree with you on Fedor being the favourite against Stipe, but someone who ate both the most strikes ever landed at heavyweight (181) AND was able to occasionally eat bombs from Ngannou is not chinny.

 

[TheMessiah]

Fedor is the best. In his prime he was nearly unstoppable and he beat so many UFC champs. However DC would be a very tough matchup for him. Still the Goat though

 

[puppybird]

in 10 years it could be stipe if he keeps fighting and winning. that's what it'll take tho

 

[EndlessCritic]

Fedor was the #1 HW in the world from 2003 to 2010. This isn't a debate.

 

[VVarhead]

He's absolutely right and it isn't even really debatable.

 

[Crackerjack]

Fedor is and he would murder DC who has overrated wrestling and striking. Stipe would lose his life against Fedor in his prime.

 

[kenetics]

I agree with you on Fedor being the favourite against Stipe, but someone who ate both the most strikes ever landed at heavyweight (181) AND was able to occasionally eat bombs from Ngannou is not chinny.

True but he was also ko by someone like Struve . Stipe also gets hit alot In fights.

 

[sampuncher]

I don't like Thomas, I'm not really a Fedor fan either.

He is right though. Fedor is the MMA HW GOAT and it can't be disputed atm.

UFC HW GOAT yeah Stipe/DC winner.

 

[sampuncher]

Fedor is and he would murder DC who has overrated wrestling and striking. Stipe would lose his life against Fedor in his prime.

Imagine saying an olympic level wrestler has overrated wrestling.

 

[BFoe]

Fedor is most definitely GOAT HW. He could be eclipsed someday, but not by Cormier or Stipe. Fedor was the consensus P4P best fighter in the world for seven years, during which time he fought more ranked fighters than any other HW (save for Nog, whom Fedor beat twice in their prime), had more title defenses (5 total), and did so in one continuous undefeated streak that lasted a decade. So no, neither Cormier or Stipe is surpassing him regardless of who wins this Saturday.

 

[Crackerjack]

Imagine saying an olympic level wrestler has overrated wrestling.

In MMA terms he has.....gets taken down by non-wrestlers and struggles to take down decent wrestlers.

 

[KlLLEmAll]

Well that's obvious.

Fedor dominated the HW division for many years.