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Don't get me wrong, I know how different sports mma and boxing are.
I obviously know that some 150-160ish like Mayweather would get KILLED in mma, because those divisions are packed with talent, and obviously wrestling and bjj play a huge role there. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Canelo, all those guys would get crushed 9 times outta 10 by every top 20 fw, lw or ww on the roster.
But there is a point (in the higher weight classes) where there isn't much more to fighting that hitting hard and throwing good punches.
I mean, look at Francis. Guy has killed many of the greats (Jds, Cain, Blaydes etc.), guys who wrestled and grappled their whole fucking life, while he was working in a sandmine. If it just takes one solid punch to annihilate years of training, fighting isn't that sophisticated. That's why combat sports coaches acting like they were some neurosurgeons always makes me laugh...
So, my whole point is that, at HW, the most important tool to have is boxing, as it is too demanding for big guys like that to shoot (even D1 NCAA or Olympians don't shoot that often)
So Tyson Fury would do great. He is huge, he already knows how to throw solid elbows (don't forget body mechanics of a hook are very similar to those of an elbow) and, most important, his boxing defense doesn't rely on big gloves, but on movement and slipping (he would have to make some adjustments in order to not get kicked in the head though). And he would have MUCH MORE power than 90% of the roster, just because he isn't known as a ko artist in boxing doesn't mean he wouldn't be one in mma, there is a difference between hitting a high level boxer with big gloves to protect himself and hitting an midtier ufc striker with 4oz gloves on.
And please don't post the James Toney loss, guy was unprepared, out of shape, and obviously didn't know shit about mma. Coming up with that example is as preposterous as bjj blue belts bragging about how they can destroy college wrestlers. Yes, they can, but only in the very very beginning, once the wrestler is a few weeks in and knows the very basics of bjj, he will ragdoll them (this actually happened to me, as a bjj purple belt, I used to ragdoll a high level college wrestler during his first 6 months of training. Now that he is 1 year in and doesn't do as many mistakes, he starts to pass my guard here and there because I can't keep up with his athleticism and power anymore. In 3 months, he will start submitting me, that for sure…)
I obviously know that some 150-160ish like Mayweather would get KILLED in mma, because those divisions are packed with talent, and obviously wrestling and bjj play a huge role there. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Canelo, all those guys would get crushed 9 times outta 10 by every top 20 fw, lw or ww on the roster.
But there is a point (in the higher weight classes) where there isn't much more to fighting that hitting hard and throwing good punches.
I mean, look at Francis. Guy has killed many of the greats (Jds, Cain, Blaydes etc.), guys who wrestled and grappled their whole fucking life, while he was working in a sandmine. If it just takes one solid punch to annihilate years of training, fighting isn't that sophisticated. That's why combat sports coaches acting like they were some neurosurgeons always makes me laugh...
So, my whole point is that, at HW, the most important tool to have is boxing, as it is too demanding for big guys like that to shoot (even D1 NCAA or Olympians don't shoot that often)
So Tyson Fury would do great. He is huge, he already knows how to throw solid elbows (don't forget body mechanics of a hook are very similar to those of an elbow) and, most important, his boxing defense doesn't rely on big gloves, but on movement and slipping (he would have to make some adjustments in order to not get kicked in the head though). And he would have MUCH MORE power than 90% of the roster, just because he isn't known as a ko artist in boxing doesn't mean he wouldn't be one in mma, there is a difference between hitting a high level boxer with big gloves to protect himself and hitting an midtier ufc striker with 4oz gloves on.
And please don't post the James Toney loss, guy was unprepared, out of shape, and obviously didn't know shit about mma. Coming up with that example is as preposterous as bjj blue belts bragging about how they can destroy college wrestlers. Yes, they can, but only in the very very beginning, once the wrestler is a few weeks in and knows the very basics of bjj, he will ragdoll them (this actually happened to me, as a bjj purple belt, I used to ragdoll a high level college wrestler during his first 6 months of training. Now that he is 1 year in and doesn't do as many mistakes, he starts to pass my guard here and there because I can't keep up with his athleticism and power anymore. In 3 months, he will start submitting me, that for sure…)
