10th planet and regular bjj difference??? (including culture)

[Ogata]

I have trained in judo on and off for few years and am looking to get in to jujitsu. I have found a gracie jujitsu place and a 10th planet jujitsu place and there are plenty of bjj places in my hometown which is Vancouver bc.


I am wondering for those who have trained in 10th planet and other bjj styles could tell me what the sub-cultures are like and which style of training/jujitsu do you prefer and why?


Just to clarify, I am not saying certain jujitsu is better than another, I just want to know what the differences are between Gracie jujitsu, 10th planet jujitsu and mma/bjj type jujitsu environment.

 

[Zankou]

Marketing.

Huge differences in marketing.

 

[GKY]

I've never trained with 10th planet but I do like their system so please take this with a grain of salt.

10th planet BJJ is a strictly no gi BJJ school. They popularized the rubber guard, lock down half guard, the truck position, and the twister submission. They train both "traditional" jiu jitsu and the 10th planet moves. They are big advocates of developing an effective guard that would work in MMA. Their philosophy is using clinch based guards because it decreases you opponents ability to generate power, hit you, or stand up. It also opens opportunities to strike off your back.

To effectively use a lot of 10th planet stuff you have to be very flexible. They apparently do a lot of stretching in classes and recommend stretching at home as well. Eddie is a huge supporter of drilling technique. 10th planet has a submission only mentality and don't like points much. One big criticism of the rubber guard and lock down guard is that they kill your hip mobility, making some people think they're actually stalling guards. Rubber guard would probably be more effective in MMA than in BJJ since you can punch the guy in the face while he can't punch you back. One other criticism is they haven't won much at the black belt levels.

In terms of culture that probably changes school to school. It seems like they're big into conspiracy theories and pot culture. But I can't say for sure to what degree or if it seeps into class.

Gracie jiu jitsu is a traditional jiu jitsu school that heavily advocates self defense. They also seem to work a decent amount of stand up relative to other jiu jitsu schools, but I can't comment on the level of instruction they have in that area. They don't seem to like new age techniques like the berimbolo or 50/50 guard. Their culture seems very respectful. They also bow to a picture of Helio Gracie after every class. I personally find that kind of weird, but to each their own.

Once again, I've never trained with either school, so take that with a grain of salt. I'm just a big fan of jiu jitsu and that's what I've gathered so far about both schools.

 

[vcmmafan]

GKY is on Point

 

[Gambledub]

First off, what Gracie school is it? There are a few of them.

I train at a Humaita affiliate, which is a weird mixture of competition and self defence focused. But one of my main training partners outside of class is a 10th Planet guy. (it's like a strange buddy cop movie at times)

Honestly, no one here unless they are from where you are from is going to give you an accurate picture. If I were in your situation, I would go and do a trial at both schools and whatever coaching/teaching style you liked better, that would be the school I chose.

The reason being is that while certain Jiu Jitsu schools have specific games, you will probably end up gravitating towards certain techniques regardless of where you train. For example if you end up at the more traditional Gracie school, you will find people inverting and doing berimbolos, likewise at the 10th Planet school there will be people playing very traditional games too or the latest modern games, different from what you would associate with the standard 10th Planet game.

The main difference is the gi/nogi focus. Gracie schools tend to probably be closer to Judo (we do Harai Goshi against punches as part of our self defence curriculum for example) so a large part of your choice could be, do you want to compliment your Judo with similar techniques you can use in both (for the most part) or do you want to expand your grappling with techniques that you might not use in Judo (or Judo you wont use in BJJ).

Some general likes and dislikes I have from training with both mentalities. I really like 10th Planets warm ups, they basically drill a curriculum of set techniques. Which in my opinion is way better than running and is a great way to get better quicker. The other thing I like about the 10th Planet approach is the "fuck it" mentality. By that I mean reaping leg locks, neck cranks, spine locks etc are all good for the most part, where as Gracie schools tend to stick to IBJJF rules which when were just training i'm not a fan of. I like the stand up focus of the Gracie schools though (i'm sure your Judo will be leagues better though!) and I like doing a bit of self defence from time to time, doing techniques with strikes and learning headlock escapes etc is pretty valuable imo. I also don't think I could go to a purely nogi school. While I probably enjoy nogi a little bit more than gi these days, I still love the extra techniques and subtle differences you get training in a gi.

But like I said try and trial both places, a good fit with the instructor is the best quality imo, with price, schedule and location close behind. The difference between styles can vary greatly from school to school, especially in pure MMA schools where I have seen excellent grapplers and then people who probably wouldn't have a blue belt teaching the Jiu Jitsu. Unless you want to be an elite level competitor, the "style" associated with a certain gym will not impact your game to a huge extent imo.

 

[ijustwannasurf]

Sativa vs. indica

 

[deathgrind]

Sativa vs. indica

+1 haha
But seriously go try both places out

 

[Kingbedlam]

I attend a Relson Gracie JJ school. As stated earlier, we do a surprising amount of stand up. The general philosophy is that in order to fight on the ground, you need to get them there first. We even have Judo and Wrestling classes if people feel that they need to learn even more stand up. We have a healthy mix of self defense and competition, and we tend to train in the go while competition classes are taught in nogi. I'm personally in Bjj for the self defense aspects due to my line of work.

And no, we don't bow to a picture of Helio. However, not every Gjj school is the same.

 

[ThatBJJGuy]

10th planet is for losers who smoke weed and have horrible tattoos

 

[RTD1]

Well, I've never seen a "regular BJJ" instructional DVD start off with some shirtless dude with an enormous beer belly screaming like a maniac, so there's that.

 

[Einarr]

10PJJ don't train in the gi at all, which is just awful for beginners - fundamentals should be learned in the gi, white belts doing nogi is always just a matter of who spazzes the hardest.

 

[Dogstarman]

Well, I've never seen a "regular BJJ" instructional DVD start off with some shirtless dude with an enormous beer belly screaming like a maniac, so there's that.

Lol.what are you referencing?

 

[Diode]

Well, I've never seen a "regular BJJ" instructional DVD start off with some shirtless dude with an enormous beer belly screaming like a maniac, so there's that.

Link? I'm up for a Sunday Morning Lol

 

[Jack Handy jr]

I've rolled with many 10P corona guys and they were ALL legit and IMO very technical. I personally think the reason why you don't see many 10P guys dominating the blackbelt scene is there mantra of not really stalling and always going for the kill.

 

[biscuitsbrah]

You should just go to both schools, take classes, and see which one you like better.
It should be easy to tell how good the guys are, how big the school is, how friendly the culture is, etc.

 

[jr jr]

10th planet is for losers who smoke weed and have horrible tattoos

And listening to bad music....

Seriously, every school has something different to offer. Travel distance is a big deal for long term success with your school.

 

[Einarr]

Lol.what are you referencing?

I'm guessing he's referring to that Taekwondo Jo or whatever his name is. An obese, borderline retarded, unfunny greaseball who for some inexplicable reason is on every other 10th Planet video.

 

[RTD1]

I'm guessing his referring to that Taekwondo Jo or whatever his name is. An obese, borderline retarded, unfunny greaseball who for some inexplicable reason is on every other 10th Planet video.

Yeah, that's it, didn't know what his name was. I downloaded the Twister DVD on Torrent and as soon as I started playing it that dude comes on the screen cursing up a storm while slapping a heavy bag like a maniac. My first thought was fuck, I downloaded some fake ass torrent I hope there's no kiddie pr0n on it or anything, but then next thing I knew Eddie Bravo was onscreen and I was like oh wow this really is the Twister DVD.

 

[RTD1]

Here, this dude. Found it on YouTube. Luckily he's wearing a shirt in this one, he's almost always half naked in the 10P videos.



Even better:

 

[SteelHammer]

10PJJ don't train in the gi at all, which is just awful for beginners - fundamentals should be learned in the gi, white belts doing nogi is always just a matter of who spazzes the hardest.

"Which is just awful for beginners"? Go back to worshipping Helio. Beginners who come to learn no gi, and pay to learn no gi, don't need to attend your pajama party.