You should have to work at walmart, without a college degree.

[VivaRevolution]

No, I'm assuming you're referring to the development of top marginal tax rates, especially federal income tax rates in the US and based on that try to make the argument that America was hyper-progressive in the past, like people here do quite often, or in your case even 'socialism' done right. It always was a really bad argument and that didn't change just because Sanders now made it popular during the recent presidential debates.

Economic progressive. I believe in massive infrastructure spending, including human infrastructure, and pro worker/middle class policies. You know back when both unions and industrialists were economic nationalists, instead of both being pro globalization, greed is good, vampire squids.

Back when our national economic policy was actually full employment, and not extractionist accounting fraud in the name of controlling inflation.

As far as tax rates go, let's get rid of income tax, and go back to funding the government with import tariffs. It ensures an adversarial relationship between business and government, which is much preferred to the cunts working together.

 

[lecter]

economic nationalists, instead of both being pro globalization
.

 

[bobgeese]

My 2 cents, it's the "everyone must go to college" myth that needs to be destroyed.


An entire generation is burdened with 100k in debt, so that they can work 30k jobs. Meanwhile, they could have become electricians, plumbers, heating/cooling repair, and a host of other well paying jobs.

 

[VivaRevolution]

I think he is going to fuck that dudes hand with his thumb. No lube.

 

[DragRacer]

With all due respect to your relative, with regard to wal mart/ target employees she’s probably the exception rather than the rule.

I have a relative working at Target who has an accounting degree, and 30 years of good work history.

Looked for 1 1/2 years, before taking the target job. She is almost legally deaf, and gets let go from jobs because of the difficulty it causes.

I was shocked when she got a job as a clerk at the county police station, and they actually stated that they let her go because she couldn't hear the buzzars for the door.

I was like, isn't that illegal?

Tried to get her to pursue legal remedies, but she is afraid to get blacklisted.

 

[Fluffernutter]

Who will be CEO of this new national labor union?

 

[VivaRevolution]

With all due respect to your relative, with regard to wal mart/ target employees she’s probably the exception rather than the rule.

Lots of exceptions out there. Also a lot of people who are capable, and productive, but comfortable in a shit paying low skill job. For every Wal-Mart worker, their is a delivery driver for construction fasteners, or ground crew worker for residential tree work, or formation line worker for spraying battery acid into automotive batteries.

These are all shit paying, no benefits jobs. They are the majority of jobs in this country.

 

[deadshot138]

Its been done, it is called 1940-1970's america, when everyone was an economic progressive, even republicans.

Times have changed. Technology has replaced those jobs from the war eras. You can’t be a piece of shit and live comfortably in America anymore. Thank inflation too. And the rise in prices without a rise in wages.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Times have changed. Technology has replaced those jobs from the war eras. You can’t be a piece of shit and live comfortably in America anymore. Thank inflation too. And the rise in prices without a rise in wages.

Massive wealth has been generated since the peak of our middle class, and yet it continues to shrink.

I don't think this is a reality that has to be accepted. We didn't produce more when our middle class grew. We increased the leverage of labor, which increased consumption, which increased production, which is also known as a sound economic model, when the middle class grew.

 

[Beechwood]

Shouldn't the solution to automation be shorter work weeks?

I mean I know quarterly bean counters tend to lack forsight, but I would think even they understand they need workers to have consumers.

The often mentioned solutions to automation are -

* regulate to create/ save jobs.
* tax robots and give that money to former workers
* universal salary, I think that is what it is called. It is where the government pays everyone not working a salary.

Resources are limited. We need an efficient and rewarding system to distribute goods.

 

[Bloodworth]

There is a push to put foreigners in jobs before Americans.

It's a slow plan to make these people unskilled and unable to take care of themselves or their community.

Plumbers, roofers, electricians, masons, truck drivers, construction, there are many areas that people can jump into at 18.

Best way is get a job that is average paying, keeps you busy and will give you full benefits after retirement.

 

[DragRacer]

I understand what you’re saying 100%.
If you can lay out a blueprint for how things could go from here and work for everybody, you’ll be a legend and I’ll humbly admire from the sidelines.

The pragmatic side of me instead tries to imagine where on this cycle we are as a people.

I’d imagine the poor in America are about 12.7% of the way between dependence and tyranny. A few more ticks of the clock for the middle class is when the prelims are over and the main event starts.

Lots of exceptions out there. Also a lot of people who are capable, and productive, but comfortable in a shit paying low skill job. For every Wal-Mart worker, their is a delivery driver for construction fasteners, or ground crew worker for residential tree work, or formation line worker for spraying battery acid into automotive batteries.

These are all shit paying, no benefits jobs. They are the majority of jobs in this country.

 

[Pelosi2020]

Its been done, it is called 1940-1970's america, when everyone was an economic progressive, even republicans.

Bernie Weekend-in-Moscow Sanders supporter wants to return to the days of McCarthy-ism.

You can't make this up folks.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Did I miss something? Did skilled labor jobs go away? I doubt it.

No. TS is just making it up as he goes. Basically, he's lazy and wants a starter job that 15 year olds should be doing to get job experience for the 1st time to pay him more because life is hard.


At least, that's what I got out of his OP

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

What you're saying is that without doing anything, or inheriting any risk, or developing any skills, or taking initiative to seek or innovate a better revenue stream, that the average person should be able to just avail themselves to some preordained destination when they get out of high school and be handed a job where they show up 8 hours a day 5x a week without giving a fuck, putting in minimum effort, and live a middle class lifestyle.

This is why Socialism fails every time.

lol


Perfect

 

[Renard]

A high school diploma isn't average in today's world, it's below average. Everyone I know got either an university education or they trained and apprenticed in a trade. Education is a lot more important now, and the currency has been diluted, so you really have no chance to compete against the 90% applicants who are educated if you're not.

 

[lilelvis]

What you're saying is that without doing anything, or inheriting any risk, or developing any skills, or taking initiative to seek or innovate a better revenue stream, that the average person should be able to just avail themselves to some preordained destination when they get out of high school and be handed a job where they show up 8 hours a day 5x a week without giving a fuck, putting in minimum effort, and live a middle class lifestyle.

This is why Socialism fails every time.

Because I can't like it twice..
Amen

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Do you need a college degree to be a successful stripper or pornstar?

 

[Devout Pessimist]

It just hasn't been done right yet. You clearly don't have the right mindset.

<Lmaoo><Lmaoo><Lmaoo>

 

[Steve-French]

When I hear people say that if you work hard, and make good decisions, you will be successful, what I hear, is them saying you should work at Wal-Mart if you don't go to college.

See, I don't want to take things from others more successful, what I want is for the average person, with an average high school diploma, is given the opportunity to have a middle class life style.

Factory jobs in this country used to suck. They paid shit wages, and people died all the time at work. Then we had a labor revolution, where we took shit paying unsafe jobs, and forced employers through law to offer middle class wages, and safe work conditions.

When I was 16, in 1996 I was a high school drop out. I was able to find a job as a machinist grunt. The worked sucked, long hours, shit pay, but if I would have stuck with it, in 6 years I would have been making a middle class wage. Those opportunities were few and far between in 1996 compared to 1966, and they are almost non-existent today.

Most of us seem to agree that the American middle class is disappearing, and I don't think any tax plan, or regulation is going to fix that.

We need another labor revolution in this country. We don't need to empower the old corrupt unions, we need to organize, and create a new union structure, in the spirit of Jefferson's quote, of let there never be 20 years without a revolution such as this. Let us start fresh, where systems are uncorrupted and can actually work.

We need a national union. 1 union for all workers, to match the power of the bohemeths of the corporate, and government bodies.

If we have a need for a national guard, national Social Security, national Medicare, then we have a need for a national Union, with the collective bargaining power of every US worker that chooses to join.

Discuss......

You can always get a trade. If you keep applying to the unions (Laborer's, Carpenter's, Electrition's, Pipe Fitter's, etc...) You will eventually land an apprenticeship and have and eventually earn a decent wage. The problem is people tend to turn their noses up, or are not cut out for that kind of work.