"Woodley should have taken more risks" - what about Maia though?

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Okay, so ask yourself this Sherdoggers - What is Tyron Woodley's game?

Tyron's game consists of powerful takedowns, with great top-control. This comes alongside a counter-striking approach on the feet, which typically consists of explosive bursts of hooks and straights, with the odd leg kick thrown in to limit movement of his opponent.

Okay, now ask yourself - What is Demian Maia's game?

A limited mix of kicks and punches which are not designed to damage or finish the opponent, but rather to find range and/or distract the opponent to create grappling openings. Maia typically looks for single-leg takedowns or trips if he can get into range. If these don't work, he often settles for pulling guard and attempting a sweep.

So Tyron Woodley completely eliminates Maia's grappling game within the first two rounds or so. Maia attempts double-digit takedown attempts and Woodley is able to stuff them all. Woodley is winning the striking battles by throwing single shots and not exploding at Maia with combinations.

So people criticize Tyron and say "well if you can stuff all the takedowns, why not try and finish Maia?"

I won't lie to your face and claim that Tyron took risks, but I haven't once heard someone say that Demian should have taken more risks.

Tyron didn't do "much", but he was 40-36 up going into the final round. Who's at liberty to take the risks at that point? Tyron didn't take risks, but he was winning lol. Why didn't the man who was losing, go for broke?

Unless you're a blitzer by trade, going for broke is essentially against everyone's gameplan. Why didn't Maia go against his gameplan when it wasn't working? Why didn't his coaches tell him that Woodley was 4-0 up going into the last round? Why didn't he risk getting KO'd by throwing combinations?

Maia went for a takedown with about 20 seconds left, where was the criticism of that tactic? Was that going to win him the fight? No, it wasn't.

Why would the Patriots go for it on 4th down with 7 minutes left, when they are 28-0 up? Play conservative and win the damn game, why risk losing and then you're a laughing stock for the rest of time?

Some people really need to get their bias meter checked.
 
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Maia took like 20 risks.They failed but he took them.He even head kicked for fucks shake!
 
charalsias said:
Maia took like 20 risks.They failed but he took them.He even head kicked for fucks shake!
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Don't be stupid.

Going to your bread and butter isn't taking a risk.

If they are so risky, then where is Tyron's credit for completely nullifying all of Maia's "risky attacks" - how about when he upper-cutted the guy and completely shut his eye?
 
Maia intiated a majority of the striking exchanges. He took risks be initiating against a known counter fighter. He took risks by repeadly closing distance on a physically superior man.

I do agree that Maia should have kicked more, though.
 
Woodley is a clear and firm believer in "You have to beat the champ to be the champ" he's never going to through caution to the wind and put himself in danger, he likes the money that being the champ brings far too much, and for good reason. He made over half a million from this fight plus PPV points. This is what Woodley is - even before the belt he was a defensive first fighter who focused on stopping his opponents rather than generating his own offense. But when he was a challenger he went after it more.

Now he's the champion, and unless guys like Wonderboy or Maia want to be aggressive this is what we're going to see. Both fighters share the blame equally, Maia disengaged everytime Woodley moved forward, literally everytime he got pressured he skipped backwards and didn't engage. He only shot when Woodley moved back, which is part of the reason he could never hit a takedown. Replay of the Wonderboy fight, except Woodley believes he's in the right because it's their job to come after him not the other way around.

Which I tend to agree with.
 
To be a boring winner or an entertaining loser, that is the question. Do you understand what someone like Woodley has sacrificed to be where he is? And he's just supposed to throw it all away in order to be "more entertaining" to a bunch of mouth breathers? Don't ruin MMA with this nonsense.
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Maia, should have done 100 head kicks.

Edit: Woodley is ridiculous though. With his athleticism there is no way he shouldn't be more aggressive.
 
I like the Maia but he's been in the 2 worst title fights I've ever seen.
 
Yea Maia shouldve taken more risks in wonder boy vs woodley 2 as well
 
Not a risk but I wish Maia would've thrown some front head kicks. Not like he had to worry about being taken down or gnp. Woodley did almost no risk taking unless you call throwing a second punch in a two punch combo risk taking.
 
Woodley fought his fight and retained his title. Yeah it was boring as fuck but he won by his gameplan. It comes down to what's most important to him; keeping his belt or winning over the crowd/getting more money. Good on him for retaining but he's not going to like what he hears come contract time. He can play the race card all he wants but he's been laying eggs since winning the belt.

Fuck Dana for bitching about how a champion defends. If you're a contender, it takes a lot longer to get that title shot if you're not getting anyone excited about your performances or bringing attention to yourself and your fights. A champion, however, can win and retain however they want. They can stay on top however they choose. Dana's pressure to make champions risk their titles carries as much weight as the champion let's it.
 
Maia took way more risks in that fight than Woodley - are people on her retarded? Serious question...
 
Maia literally spent the entire fight moving forward chasing Woodley.
Nowhere in that fight was Tyron the one moving forward, despite being the one who was having success neutralizing where the fight was taking place.
 
Maia shot 20+ times.
He gave all he got. wtf?
 
Threetrees said:
Woodley is a clear and firm believer in "You have to beat the champ to be the champ" he's never going to through caution to the wind and put himself in danger, he likes the money that being the champ brings far too much, and for good reason. He made over half a million from this fight plus PPV points. This is what Woodley is - even before the belt he was a defensive first fighter who focused on stopping his opponents rather than generating his own offense. But when he was a challenger he went after it more.

Now he's the champion, and unless guys like Wonderboy or Maia want to be aggressive this is what we're going to see. Both fighters share the blame equally, Maia disengaged everytime Woodley moved forward, literally everytime he got pressured he skipped backwards and didn't engage. He only shot when Woodley moved back, which is part of the reason he could never hit a takedown. Replay of the Wonderboy fight, except Woodley believes he's in the right because it's their job to come after him not the other way around.

Which I tend to agree with.
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Beautifully stated.
 
The Natural Born Runner said:
Okay, so ask yourself this Sherdoggers - What is Tyron Woodley's game?

Tyron's game consists of powerful takedowns, with great top-control. This comes alongside a counter-striking approach on the feet, which typically consists of explosive bursts of hooks and straights, with the odd leg kick thrown in to limit movement of his opponent.

Okay, now ask yourself - What is Demian Maia's game?

A limited mix of kicks and punches which are not designed to damage or finish the opponent, but rather to find range and/or distract the opponent to create grappling openings. Maia typically looks for single-leg takedowns or trips if he can get into range. If these don't work, he often settles for pulling guard and attempting a sweep.

So Tyron Woodley completely eliminates Maia's grappling game within the first two rounds or so. Maia attempts double-digit takedown attempts and Woodley is able to stuff them all. Woodley is winning the striking battles by throwing single shots and not exploding at Maia with combinations.

So people criticize Tyron and say "well if you can stuff all the takedowns, why not try and finish Maia?"

I won't lie to your face and claim that Tyron took risks, but I haven't once heard someone say that Demian should have taken more risks.

Tyron didn't do "much", but he was 40-36 up going into the final round. Who's at liberty to take the risks at that point? Tyron didn't take risks, but he was winning lol. Why didn't the man who was losing, go for broke?

Unless you're a blitzer by trade, going for broke is essentially against everyone's gameplan. Why didn't Maia go against his gameplan when it wasn't working? Why didn't his coaches tell him that Woodley was 4-0 up going into the last round? Why didn't he risk getting KO'd by throwing combinations?

Maia went for a takedown with about 20 seconds left, where was the criticism of that tactic? Was that going to win him the fight? No, it wasn't.

Why would the Patriots go for it on 4th down with 7 minutes left, when they are 28-0 up? Play conservative and win the damn game, why risk losing and then you're a laughing stock for the rest of time?

Some people really need to get their bias meter checked.
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Woodley is black so it is his fault
 
Ice Cold said:
To be a boring winner or an entertaining loser, that is the question. Do you understand what someone like Woodley has sacrificed to be where he is? And he's just supposed to throw it all away in order to be "more entertaining" to a bunch of mouth breathers? Don't ruin MMA with this nonsense.
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The president of the company that employees him is not just "a bunch of mouth breathers" (I guess Dana is a kind of mouthbreather, but that's not the point). It's an entertainment sport, and he himself understands that pretty well when he calls out GSP.
 
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