"Women have less technique"

[Thai Otoshi]

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with that sentiment. I consider it to be one of two things:

1. The last death throes of WMMA opponents, who have little else to criticize, what with women fights being entertaining AND resulting in finishes.

2. The Double Standards Card, wherein male fighters have "things they need to improve", whereas women fighters "have sloppy technique".

If you watched the last Invicta card, you would've seen good striking, good wrestling, and excellent, active ground work. Waterson showed heart, incredible reversals and submission escapes, only to get a sub of her own. Joanne Calderwood, at CW53 and previously at Invicta FC4, owned her opponents with some of the best Thai boxing I've ever seen by ANYONE in an MMA cage, man or woman. I saw beautiful, powerful takedowns from BOTH women last night during Tate/Zingano, and those knees from the clinch would have made Wanderlei Silva proud.

What is it about their technique that's bad, exactly?

 

[edco76]

It's just like early MMA. Lot of women right now are specialist. They can maybe strike, wrestle, or grapple but few can do all of it.

 

[5H3RD0G]

Flailing on strikes, knees to body aren't done correctly at times, awkward exchanges during strikes, run in and strike away, countless others but let's work on the simple ones first. :icon_lol:

 

[Doran]

I saw fights last night with guys on tuf that looked way less skilled than the two women but people were still calling them sloppy or terrible. I'm just going to call out internet warrior sexism. The grappling in tate / cat was great and she threw those knees with sick accuracy.

 

[EndlessCritic]

The striking in Tate/Zingano was beyond terrible.

Their jiujitsu level is in general okay, but their striking and wrestling is very weak in comparison.

I would suggest that if you can't see this, you don't know what you're watching.

 

[JuRAYsic Park**]

Cat vs Tate was extremely un-technical. Tate literally ran at her throwing incredibly sloppy strikes and Cat's only defense was turtling up. It looked like one of those street fights that you have on YouTube.

 

[cevo]

owned her opponents with some of the best Thai boxing I've ever seen by ANYONE in an MMA cage, man or woman.

Her technique is on par with Jose Aldo and Anderson Silva?

There's some very good women, but the talent pool is very shallow and they are not as good as most of their male counterparts. Doesn't mean that they are bad though. Zingano and Tate definitely showed more technique than a lot of the heavyweights for example.

 

[SambaMan]

I'm proud of how far WMMA has come. Gotta give em more credit.

 

[Threetrees]

Cat vs Tate was extremely un-technical. Tate literally ran at her throwing incredibly sloppy strikes and Cat's only defense was turtling up. It looked like one of those street fights that you have on YouTube.

The striking maybe
Grappling was sound on both sides
And Cats clinch is pretty damn technical

Looked more technical than some HW fights.

 

[chinarice]

I am gonna go ahead and disagree that the women are not sloppy, at the very least in the UFC.

Do I think all the men in the UFC have great technique? Nope but they are also not near the top of their respective divisions.

I find the women's fight IQ and standup need a lot of work. A lot of them seem to get pulled away from their gameplans and doing things they shouldn't be doing.

 

[5H3RD0G]

The striking maybe
Grappling was sound on both sides
And Cats clinch is pretty damn technical

Looked more technical than some HW fights.

They definitely have great grappling action going on in most women fights.

 

[jimbob27]

Well I guess many of the female fighters I've seen lack a well rounded defense.

From a fans perspective that's not really a bad thing.

The most boring MMA fights you see are ones where both fighters have such good defense they neutralize everything the other does.

If they're grapplers you end up with a static fight, if they're strikers you get a sparring match were neither guy is willing to take any risks.

Right now female MMA seems to be in a good place as far as entertainment goes, as many of the fighters have great offence, but nobody's really figured out how to slow the pace of fights down and make them more boring.

 

[Thai Otoshi]

Her technique is on par with Jose Aldo and Anderson Silva?

Her last three fights:

1. KO's one girl with a Rutten Liver Knee.

2. Puts on a Muay Thai clinic, complete with Anderson Silva-esque upper cut elbow.

3. Owns opponent who tried some Carlos Condit Spinning Shit with a teep, then puts her away with strong GnP.

There's some very good women, but the talent pool is very shallow and they are not as good as most of their male counterparts. Doesn't mean that they are bad though. Zingano and Tate definitely showed more technique than a lot of the heavyweights for example.

Is the talent pool smaller than the men? Yes.

Does that mean they have sloppy technique as a whole? I'm going to have to say no.

If you look at the prelims/undercards and smaller shows, yes, you might see some sloppy fights.... but that is also true for the men. The big shows, also like the men, show great technique.

 

[EndlessCritic]

Her last three fights:

1. KO's one girl with a Rutten Liver Knee.

2. Puts on a Muay Thai clinic, complete with Anderson Silva-esque upper cut elbow.

3. Owns opponent who tried some Carlos Condit Spinning Shit with a teep, then puts her away with strong GnP.

Is the talent pool smaller than the men? Yes.

Does that mean they have sloppy technique as a whole? I'm going to have to say no.

If you look at the prelims/undercards and smaller shows, yes, you might see some sloppy fights.... but that is also true for the men. The big shows, also like the men, show great technique.

You do realize that it's easier to execute techniques against weaker opposition right?

 

[flanellograf]

The striking in Tate/Zingano was beyond terrible.

Their jiujitsu level is in general okay, but their striking and wrestling is very weak in comparison.

I would suggest that if you can't see this, you don't know what you're watching.

And yet it didn't look too much different from say Wanderleis or Belforts striking.

 

[Jew Jif Shoes]

Women's grappling is and has been quite good.
Tate's and Zingano's striking was substandard last night though, and that's what people mean. Does anyone remember any jabs being thrown? Most of the striking consisted of winging hooks and brawly punches. Even though the men sometimes engage in slug fests too (Stann vs Wanderlei, for example), most MMA fighters have decent striking and don't always wing punches at one another. In other words, striking is more established in men's MMA, so the occasional brawl is more forgivable.

 

[alaykala04]

wait till u guys see holly holm.

It just so happens that many of the WMMA fighters we see now are grappling based and haven't developed their striking games enough

 

[greenmanwldcard***]

Cat vs Tate was extremely un-technical. Tate literally ran at her throwing incredibly sloppy strikes and Cat's only defense was turtling up. It looked like one of those street fights that you have on YouTube.

That's because the women are fighting for a title shot and the men are fighting just to be in the UFC. Big difference in expectations.

 

[Exel***]

I enjoyed the women fight but the fact stands that women's skill is extremely low. Misha only moves forward blindly and can't finish a submission for the life of her. Cat overpowered her with sheer power. Those are the best fighters next to Ronda. No wonder Ronda beats them all easily. She has one technique and executes it perfectly.

 

[BAZ Rutten]

Quite a lot of Women's fights end up in brawls, this sometimes makes them look less technical.