Who uses the coyote guard?

[georgegreece]

It's specifically Half Guard with your top leg hooking their leg to torque their knee and angle their hips away from you. You can get there from a bunch of entries but if you watch these videos you'll see how the leg is hooked rather than just pinched with your knees or left loose.

The vids were way off.

 

[yetanother]

Leg weave pass can be a miserable time. Have to be really careful about collar grips. I have found some success with this though

I don't see a reason to even play a knee shield that can be leg weaved. If you have a high knee shield can can't leg weave because the knee is supported with the frame, if you have a tight lock knee shield the leg weave won't do anything because he won't be able to extract the leg.

 

[Daz2300]

The vids were way off.

Way off what?? They both show the Knee Torque done from positions not involving knee shield half to illustrate the under hook and torque is what we're specifically talking about.

 

[Daz2300]

If you play an old school in the middle knee shield you will have to counter the leg weave all the time. I never use the traditional one. I only use either a high knee shield or a locked knee shield.

i tend to switch between high with elbow supporting and locked low knee shield a lot depending what they're doing. The weave & knee cut is probably most peoples go to knee shield pass so sometimes guys with good pressure force it or i get caught in between high and low. These are the leg weave counters i use,

Gi/Nogi - Put your back flat and rotate your hips towards the weaving shoulder using your bottom foot on the mat for leverage. This like a little forward shrimp off the bottom foot as you open your knee towards the ceiling when your hips turn. It will disrupt his shoulder pressure and set him back square with you again so you can reset your shield.

Gi/Nogi - Do a Twist Sweep(Giggler/John Wayne) variation by controlling the wrist of the weaving arm. You must get yourself in perpendicular to them by underhooking their free leg or pulling yourself in with a pants grip on the inside of that knee. Now you’ll bring the weaved knee to you then do a hard leg press motion which will off-balance them as the inside of their elbow is stuck on your leg with their wrist trapped. That initial momentum and lifting with the pant grip or under hook on the free leg lets you use your bottom leg to do the Twist Sweep. You come up already in a bicep slicer position if you’re mean ;-)

Gi - Insert your framing hand supporting the shield thumb down in the collar as he starts to weave. As he collapses the shield you’ll pull the collar across to the same side hard and feed his head in to the hole with your forearm for a nasty loop choke. Your free hand will go under the choking arm by your elbow with fingers straight and wrist rigid. You finish by dropping the bottom elbow down as you raise the other elbow up, kind of a circular motion with folded arms. Thumb down and moving the collar across initially are key to getting it to work.

 

[Daz2300]

I have started using RDLR a lot though to set up my coyote, as opposed to settled half. Much easier to off balance the top guy, which makes his arms drift away from his ribs. Or I can hook low and work the underhook up from the butt to around the hips. Really though, it's because reverse half is less terrifying.

That's interesting you use RDLR to set it up, Quebec Nick made a very good point that the guys you train with will know exactly what you want and rarely let you just sit up in to an underhook from a knee shield. Interesting too that he uses Deep Half, SLX and a bunch of other guards to get their rather than knee shield.

For me i don't really do the standard knee shield/kick through/shoot under hook sequence either. I pretty much spend most my time from a high or low knee shield trying to track the arm that does the leg weave etc and get wrist control with either hand or 2-on-1 that arm. As soon as i get this if they're low and pressuring in i Twist Sweep, if they're high or pull back and i still have the wrist i sit up and stick myself to them wth my free arm and let my weight on their collar or from me hugging them pull them back down in to a Twist Sweep. You can land with a near or far side under hook, ready to take the back, smash to 3/4 mount or lots of other great top half positions off the sweep if you're creative.

My under hook in to Coyote then comes off them managing to defend and post versus the Twist Sweep or me losing the wrist as they pull the arm way back and leave a big space to shoot the under hook through as you sit up. From their i bump the forward and all the usual stuff you do after kicking through from a knee shield.

If i have a locked low knee shield when they do the big cartoon flail away or pull their elbow back in to the ribs hard they're off balanced backwards. i'll throw in the odd Hip-Clamp/G-Roll sweep for a bit of a surprise attack then to try to impress the cool kids.

 

[Bubblun]

An option from the man himself.

 

[rmongler]

I think using knee torque when playing half guard and using a lockdown when playing half guard has more similarities with regards to procedures than one might think; in fact, you could say the way you use a lockdown effectively, itself involves torquing the knee this way or that.

I think that's only natural though, since both are looking to get to and use the underhook, and if there are more effective methods of doing something, effective people will tend to converge on them, even if from different starting points.

I think I'm decent once I get the underhook. When I get to dogfight or even a bit before I don't have great difficulties in moving things up. My main problems are:

1) with people that wants nothing to do with this kind of game and will either stay really tight and really far, or try to reverse pass me, stay with the head very low and the arms very tucked and the such. Or people trying to leg weave me. That's usually most of the stuff that stall me out for good.
2) I suffer immensely heavier and stronger people that (obviously) knows a bit where to put their hands. To give you an example, using de la riva I can control and sweep with relative ease the same heavier guy that would give me hell if I play traditional UH game.

Of course I'm not blaming the guard itself as there is probably really a lot I'm doing wrong in the transitions.

I've always loved this position since the old Oli Geddes days to Lucas Leite and Demian Maia today and would love to understand the overall concepts better. None of my teachers were great HG players or put a big emphasys on it, so I've always been kinda an autodidact.

The whip down is a good way of recomposing a 'smashed half' and getting your underhook in. This is probably the most useful thing you can use a scorpion lock for (getting out of bad hg situations and getting your underhook in), and once you're there you're free to either keep it or switch the legs for your attack as desired.



Bravo swept Royler Gracie three times in their match and it's a good case study on dealing with someone trying to smush you and getting to the staging points you need.


(There is a lot of similarity between electric chair sweeps and the roll-under sweeps a lot of athletes like Faria or Leites use.)


The reverse sit can be a tricky thing to deal with, since it pretty much automatically precludes most of the 'usual' ways of playing half-guard. It opens up some other avenues too however, specifically with regards to attacking the back, such as grabbing their far shoulder with a 100%/cow catcher/power half grip, and/or using a half butterfly hook behind the knee or in the thigh to enter into a leg ride.






The elbow push escape is also an option.




If the other guy is dogged about just staying low and keeping his arms tight, you can simply get a chin strap grip, or double wrist lock, or some other form of head control, and start hip heisting out, getting your feet back under you and reversing the situation into your own attack.

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(Incidentally, the funk roll specifically is also good when the other guy rides his free knee up high in half in order to launch strikes, like how Cormier often does in his fights.)


In wrestling, one of the basic principles of winning chain sequences and other furballs, is getting to a better rooting than your opponent faster than your opponent, giving yourself superior structure/leverage for driving through and bowling them over. That is a big reason why i consider some of the more generally reliable half-guard reversals to involve getting up and getting behind your opponent, like shelfing the leg, stepping around into a leg ride/truck, or throwing them by.

Another is that if you can realize greater ubiquity for a certain tactic, the more training time you can concentrate into that tactic, which translates into greater capability in application. So for example, if you are good in the dogfight situation, then it would be good if you had positional advancements from neutral and advancements from bottom that both participated in entries and finishes related to the dogfight situation.

Need a good video plz

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[yetanother]

The seatbelt position Askren shows is different from the dog fight

 

[rmongler]

The seatbelt position Askren shows is different from the dog fight

A whizzer is different from an overhook.

 

[yetanother]

A whizzer is different from an overhook.

How is a whizzer different?

 

[georgegreece]

How is a whizzer different?

it's called a whizzer when you're off to the side

 

[yetanother]

it's called a whizzer when you're off to the side

Dunno wikipedia things they are the same: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overhook

Anyway the seatbelt vs dogfight are different positions because you have a hooked leg in the dogfight which allows you to do a bunch of different things.