US vs. Germany in WW2 - 2 scenarios

[WorldofWarcraft]

Do you think the US could have defeated Germany in WW2? I think that at this point, it's clear that Russia took the brunt of the force from the German military force and is the country most responsible for Germany's defeat.

Let's take a look at 2 scenarios:

US invades Germany - who would win?

Germany invades the US - who would win?

Keep in mind that no other country is involved and that this "war" takes place at the exact moment WW2 started. Each country's resources is equal to that of the time.

 

[TSO]

You do realize we were also fighting the empire of Japan at that time don't you? Take all the resources we used on them and put them against the Germans and they'd be a cake walk.

 

[gspieler]

Nuclear weapons would've been the only way Germany beats U.S. in WWII, Soviet involvement or not. And in the absence of Russia and nuclear weapons, the U.S. wouldve eventually conquered Germany...manpower, industrial power, etc just too great.

 

[Happiness]

Umm, that's an impossible question. How the world's other countries would react isnt something that can be overlooked, or who initiated the conflict. Trying to figure out lines of supply alone is impossible.

 

[WorldofWarcraft]

You do realize we were also fighting the empire of Japan at that time don't you? Take all the resources we used on them and put them against the Germans and they'd be a cake walk.

No other country is involved.

Umm, that's an impossible question. How the world's other countries would react isnt something that can be overlooked, or who initiated the conflict. Trying to figure out lines of supply alone is impossible.

It's a hypothetical question. Magic is involved here.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Nuclear weapons would've been the only way Germany beats U.S. in WWII, Soviet involvement or not. And in the absence of Russia and nuclear weapons, the U.S. wouldve eventually conquered Germany...manpower, industrial power, etc just too great.

Agreed US industrial output would have been unmatch its just too great so great believe it

 

[Thunderflash500]

I'm not sure Americans would be ready to pay the price the Russians paid. Without some serious reason to fight. That alone makes the question hard to answer

 

[SomebodyElse]

As a major WWII history nerd, the invader in either scenario loses.

Is this a good place to mention it is effectively IMPOSSIBLE for either nation to invade the other in '39 without foreign support? No? Okay then, I won't do that.


Fun fact regarding the war: the belittlement of French troops and their combat capability was entirely a method of assuaging fear among troops in Britain and the US. The French were likely the preeminent force on planet earth at the outbreak of the war, inflicted the highest troop-for-troop casualty rate against the Wehrmacht of the war, and were in the process of collapsing against the penetration of the Blitzkrieg when their politicians surrendered. If there elected officials had not capitulated, it is very possible that France alone would have established another stalemate, exactly as in WWI.
Know what the British were doing during this? Getting the f@ck out of France, evacuating their troops by fisherman boat if necessary, as quickly as they could to the North of the fighting.


It is absolutely true that the Russians defeated Germany. Attributing less than 75% of the victory to their efforts and blood is propaganda driven by the Cold War period that emerged from WW2.

Fun Fact #2: Japan did NOT surrender because of either Atom Bomb. They surrendered the very day Russia declared war on them.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

The Soviets cannot win without food/water from US, Oil from US, Raw materials to make stuff. Murican Industry > Nazi Germany. Plus USA had larger population of draft eligible young men than Germany, and Russia.

 

[Cirris]

Agreed US industrial output would have been unmatch its just too great so great believe it

Also, US industry was spread out over thousands of miles that it would have been impossible for Germany to disrupt most of it.

 

[Cirris]

As a major WWII history nerd, the invader in either scenario loses.

Is this a good place to mention it is effectively IMPOSSIBLE for either nation to invade the other in '39 without foreign support? No? Okay then, I won't do that.


Fun fact regarding the war: the belittlement of French troops and their combat capability was entirely a method of assuaging fear among troops in Britain and the US. The French were likely the preeminent force on planet earth at the outbreak of the war, inflicted the highest troop-for-troop casualty rate against the Wehrmacht of the war, and were in the process of collapsing against the penetration of the Blitzkrieg when their politicians surrendered. If there elected officials had not capitulated, it is very possible that France alone would have established another stalemate, exactly as in WWI.
Know what the British were doing during this? Getting the f@ck out of France, evacuating their troops by fisherman boat if necessary, as quickly as they could to the North of the fighting.


It is absolutely true that the Russians defeated Germany. Attributing less than 75% of the victory to their efforts and blood is propaganda driven by the Cold War period that emerged from WW2.

Fun Fact #2: Japan did NOT surrender because of either Atom Bomb. They surrendered the very day Russia declared war on them.

Something the Japanese should be thankful for as the avoided having half their country turned into a North Korean style communist dictatorship. Even Japan itself had Communist some elements in the 60s and 70s.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

USA beats Germany. More people, resources, etc.

And It wasn't just Russia, it was the entire Soviet Union (what became 14 other nations). Although at the start of the war the annexation of the Baltic's didn't go as planned.

 

[Sir Galahad]

Do you think the US could have defeated Germany in WW2? I think that at this point, it's clear that Russia took the brunt of the force from the German military force and is the country most responsible for Germany's defeat.

Let's take a look at 2 scenarios:

US invades Germany - who would win?

Germany invades the US - who would win?

Keep in mind that no other country is involved and that this "war" takes place at the exact moment WW2 started. Each country's resources is equal to that of the time.

We had nucular weapons. US easily destroys Germany.

 

[Hidden_Hand]

As stated invading either at that time is not a good option for the invader.

But on the basis they meet in the middle? I give it to the German war machine.

Americans love to imagine America dominating every country but history tells us otherwise in reality, you didn't dominate Japan, you didn't dominate Vietnam and you didn't dominate Iraq.

Not discrediting the USA but Germany were no joke in WWII and it took one hell of a joint effort to bring them down.

 

[GhostZ06]

As stated invading either at that time is not a good option for the invader.

But on the basis they meet in the middle? I give it to the German war machine.

Americans love to imagine America dominating every country but history tells us otherwise in reality, you didn't dominate Japan, you didn't dominate Vietnam and you didn't dominate Iraq.

Not discrediting the USA but Germany were no joke in WWII and it took one hell of a joint effort to bring them down.

we did dominate japan


We did fail in Vietnam however the ground battles we won everytime. Since it wasn't like a war
how the hell would you know?


Which iraq engagement? Yeah, stop running your fucking mouth because you don't like america.
instead of disrespecting the american lives that actually died because you Europeans cant get along for more then a few years before one of yall popped off, how about you actually do some acutally research before being a dumb ass douche nozzle.


Allied group effort paid off.

 

[AlexDB9]

As a major WWII history nerd, the invader in either scenario loses.

Is this a good place to mention it is effectively IMPOSSIBLE for either nation to invade the other in '39 without foreign support? No? Okay then, I won't do that.


Fun fact regarding the war: the belittlement of French troops and their combat capability was entirely a method of assuaging fear among troops in Britain and the US. The French were likely the preeminent force on planet earth at the outbreak of the war, inflicted the highest troop-for-troop casualty rate against the Wehrmacht of the war, and were in the process of collapsing against the penetration of the Blitzkrieg when their politicians surrendered. If there elected officials had not capitulated, it is very possible that France alone would have established another stalemate, exactly as in WWI.
Know what the British were doing during this? Getting the f@ck out of France, evacuating their troops by fisherman boat if necessary, as quickly as they could to the North of the fighting.


It is absolutely true that the Russians defeated Germany. Attributing less than 75% of the victory to their efforts and blood is propaganda driven by the Cold War period that emerged from WW2.

Fun Fact #2: Japan did NOT surrender because of either Atom Bomb. They surrendered the very day Russia declared war on them.

I believe the French were too reliant on the Maginot line correct? Once the Germans simply bipassed it thorough Belgium the French were simply outgunned

 

[Konster]

I mean the US probably could have beaten Germany, however when you look at Vietnam, it puts things into perspective.

 

[GhostZ06]

I mean the US probably could have beaten Germany, however when you look at Vietnam, it puts things into perspective.

So your comparing world war 2 to vietnam.....lmao

World war 2 = total war


Vietnam = the epic police force with tanks and planes

 

[Hidden_Hand]

we did dominate japan


We did fail in Vietnam


Which iraq engagement? Yeah, stop talking....

I'm sure the soldiers who were on the ground there would disagree with you and the size of the states compared to Japan you are bound to win regardless of the courage of the Japanese.

The Iraq farce engagement under the Bush regime.

Any country the size of America and funding of your military is most likely to always win but to say it would be a cake walk is just ignorant.

Too many keyboard warriors here and not enough troops who actually suffer the hell of being there even if it just local farmers you are fighting.

 

[TSO]

Fun Fact #2: Japan did NOT surrender because of either Atom Bomb. They surrendered the very day Russia declared war on them.

So nothing in your post was true but this one needs to be addressed. Russia declared war on Japan in August and only was able to attack one small puppet regime of the Empire of Japan, the Japanese stuck in the war another month and only surrendered after their last ditch effort to stop our invasion failed miserably. The second bomb was dropped the same day the Russians declared war so even if that day was the day they surrendered it was not because the Russians entered the war.