The Truth About Welfare

[BOWHUNTER]

We need to end the welfare state that we live in. Welfare was supposed to be a safety net for hard times, not a goddamn career choice for slackers. There's too many people abusing it and living off of government hand outs, I have several social worker friends who see this every single day, and there's nothing they can do about it.

People say "oh who cares, just leave them alone, big companies get more hand outs, etc", but I think welfare does a great disservice to those who receive it because it stops them from struggling. As human beings, we grow the most when we are forced to face adversity and struggle, it's a good thing and an integral part of growth. Welfare allows people to wallow in their own mediocrity without ever reaching their potential.

Im a veteran social worker been in the field since the late 90's. Welfare leeches are the most self entitled pieces of shit in society.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

can't find any data on this and trust me, I've tried...

but what percentage of Food Stamp and Welfare recipients do you think smoke and drink?

surely it's a high number (I mean who smokes period? the poor and lower middle class almost exclusively), and I find it AWFULLY hard to justify giving someone free money b/c they can't properly manage their own responsibilities, AND are likely buying non necessary items that add to health problems we'll likely have to pay for also...

If you're poor enough to warrant free handouts, you should be poor enough to not afford daily cigarette packs.....

 

[luckyshot]

Under your version of it, no.

Right. My version. Where labor is increasingly automated by increasingly smarter and more efficient technology.

We'll call that "reality."

What should we call your version?

Im a veteran social worker been in the field since the late 90's. Welfare leeches are the most self entitled pieces of shit in society.

May or may not be true. Has no bearing on macro trends that have seen need for welfare continuously increase over recent decades and project to increase into the future.

 

[The ScorpioN]

Yeah, "work for the dole". A little bit oversimplified. It's one option for welfare recipients to meet their "mutual obligations", depending on how long you've been on the dole and the exact nature of their benefits.
Other options are:

Spoiler

What do you think of that policy? Seems to incentivize some sort of activity and personal betterment. Could this work in the US?

 

[Ruprecht]

What do you think of that policy? Seems to incentivize some sort of activity and personal betterment. Could this work in the US?

Yeah, the overall policy and resources invested into getting the unemployed jobs definitely pays off.
There's financial incentives for companies to employ the long term unemployed as well.
Combined with a pretty strong cultural resistance to dole bludging.
As a reform solution, I don't really know enough about the American welfare system to guess how effective a similar scheme employed over there would be.

 

[Undying Poster]

This is why low IQ groups such as blacks & hispanics (overwhelmingly, not all) are always in favour of more socialist policies. They love those handouts.

Ahh, low IQ groups such as... Pretty much all of Europe.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Right. My version. Where labor is increasingly automated by increasingly smarter and more efficient technology.

We'll call that "reality."

What should we call your version?

You're trying to file all that under Capitalism strictly it seems. So no, it's still just your version. And I'm ok with you calling that 'reality', as most people are comfortable creating their own.

As a side, I never commented on the automation parts of your posts -tho I'll admit your interpretation of it is a bit over dramatic- just specifically on your view of Capitalism. I think you conveniently ignore obvious truths about what Capitalsm does when applied correctly in favor of a narrative that fits your perspective. Its not shocking to me or anything like that, just pointing it out.


Judging by your posts, if there isn't a pie chart to explain it for you, I don't think you're capable of completely grasping it -not that the pie charts seem to do that for you either, but still.

 

[luckyshot]

You're trying to file all that under Capitalism strictly it seems. So no, it's still just your version. And I'm ok with you calling that 'reality', as most people are comfortable creating their own.

As a side, I never commented on the automation parts of your posts -tho I'll admit your interpretation of it is a bit over dramatic- just specifically on your view of Capitalism. I think you conveniently ignore obvious truths about what Capitalsm does when applied correctly in favor of a narrative that fits your perspective. Its not shocking to me or anything like that, just pointing it out.


Judging by your posts, if there isn't a pie chart to explain it for you, I don't think you're capable of completely grasping it -not that the pie charts seem to do that for you either, but still.

Summary:
I'm entitled to my opinion, but you are still going to insult my disturbing reliance on facts.

 

[Bay Area]

We need to end the welfare state that we live in. Welfare was supposed to be a safety net for hard times, not a goddamn career choice for slackers. There's too many people abusing it and living off of government hand outs, I have several social worker friends who see this every single day, and there's nothing they can do about it.

People say "oh who cares, just leave them alone, big companies get more hand outs, etc", but I think welfare does a great disservice to those who receive it because it stops them from struggling. As human beings, we grow the most when we are forced to face adversity and struggle, it's a good thing and an integral part of growth. Welfare allows people to wallow in their own mediocrity without ever reaching their potential.

Do you feel the same way for military benefits and welfare programs? Because they get a ton of free shit.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Summary:
I'm entitled to my opinion, but you are still going to insult my disturbing reliance on facts.

It's not my intent to insult you, I just think you're being a bit short sighted is all. There is self evident truth to some of what you've posted, I'm not denying that.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

Yeah, the overall policy and resources invested into getting the unemployed jobs definitely pays off.
There's financial incentives for companies to employ the long term unemployed as well.
Combined with a pretty strong cultural resistance to dole bludging.
As a reform solution, I don't really know enough about the American welfare system to guess how effective a similar scheme employed over there would be.

We need that badly. A few years ago I read an article about the miserable catch-22 America's long-term unemployed are in. The longer they're out of work, the less consideration employers will give them. It's claustrophobic to put oneself in their shoes.

 

[usmctanker242]

The day local, state, and federal government cracks down on the hiring of illegals(which is a massive suppressor of wages in this country) is the day welfare for poor people can use a complete stripping down. Until that dirty illegal employee problem is addressed, which both parties choose to ignore, and when billion dollar corporations aren't given handouts anymore- nothing should be changed with regards to welfare. It's a fucking pittance that's given to the poor, working class people. An yeah, some people take full advantage of the loopholes, but it's a drop in the ocean compared to the fraud and corruption in politics, big business, education, the health industry, you name it.

Probably the only post of yours I have ever, or will ever, like.

 

[xcvbn]

Well, we've sold all of our middle class and lower middle class jobs to the lowest bidder. I think a return to manufacturing and a retooling of NAFTA could greatly benefit the economy. I don't believe we can't improve things for our citizens.

You're doing a helluva job staying on topic

Hypocritical little bitch

(tbf you're absolutely right, but "wahhhhh that's for another thread")

 

[Seano]

You're doing a helluva job staying on topic

Hypocritical little bitch

(tbf you're absolutely right, but "wahhhhh that's for another thread")

That post wasn't a response to you, you stupid cunt. Learn to read.

 

[Mad child]

Build a wall, deport all illegals.

Also, for the ones that do, stop spreading misinformation about southern white republicans being the ones most affected by welfare cuts.

Works for me.

 

[xcvbn]

That post wasn't a response to you, you stupid cunt. Learn to read.

Oh but two pages ago you cried over me talking about corporate welfare and yet there you were talking about fucking NAFTA

You're a dense pile of shit

 

[DannyNL]

Im a veteran social worker been in the field since the late 90's. Welfare leeches are the most self entitled pieces of shit in society.

That's what I hear from just about every social worker I've ever talked to, but liberals would rather have us believe in the fairy tale of the humble welfare cases who are working hard and just need a little boost to realize their potential. Time to cut the bullshit.

 

[AviatorShades]

Ahh, low IQ groups such as... Pretty much all of Europe.

Europe was relatively homogenous until recent decades so socialist-leaning mixed economies were the logical conclusion.

There will be backlash and calls for privatization as they look at the math and realize same migrant groups raping and murdering them and turning their cities into vast slums are net economic burdens and consuming massively disproportionate benefits. An American model is the temporary solution to that problem.

Those calls will last for a very brief duration, until they officially lose the breeding war (which they will) and support swings back in favor of unsustainable handouts to the new-majority. Then you have a South American socialism problem where the contributors are so outnumbered by the beneficiaries that the entire system collapses.

BUT liberals won't be called racist and will get invited to college parties along the way, and I think that's what really matters. Not getting beat up.

 

[Undying Poster]

Europe was relatively homogenous until recent decades so socialist-leaning mixed economies were the logical conclusion.

There will be backlash and calls for privatization as they look at the math and realize same migrant groups raping and murdering them and turning their cities into vast slums are net economic burdens and consuming massively disproportionate benefits. An American model is the temporary solution to that problem.

Those calls will last for a very brief duration, until they officially lose the breeding war (which they will) and support swings back in favor of unsustainable handouts to the new-majority. Then you have a South American socialism problem where the contributors are so outnumbered by the beneficiaries that the entire system collapses.

BUT liberals won't be called racist and will get invited to college parties along the way, and I think that's what really matters.

lol. when white people do it, it is a logical conclusion, non-whites do it and it is proof of their low IQ

 

[xcvbn]

Probably the only post of yours I have ever, or will ever, like.

Doubtful. While my approach lacks any sort of tact or signs of respect to the counter argument, Seano's were pretty awful though tbh, I'm a fair person. I'll call any and every side out on their bullshit which is exactly what I've done here. So unless you play that party politics bullshit game(I don't know you so it's very possible- a lot of people on this subforum do), you'll see I'm a pretty knowledgeable and reasonable dude.