The e-mails between GSP's team and NSAC

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  1. UsernameLOL

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    https://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/11/4719572/georges-st-pierre-johny-hendricks-drug-testing-gsp-ufc

    This article clears up a lot of misconceptions, including the ones I had.

    Hendricks typically gets most of the blame for not agreeing to enhanced testing but what is often overlooked is GSP's unwillingness to cooperate. GSP first presented the idea of doing enhanced testing through VADA to which Hendricks initially agreed and then reneged citing the likeness of GSP on VADA's website as evidence of VADA being impartial. Instead, Hendricks' team put forth the idea of NSAC enhanced testing through the WADA/USADA accredited lab in Salt Lake City (SMRTL - Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory). Which is NOT the same as USADA level testing, but merely the use of the same labs.

    NSAC enhanced testing through SMRTL would use WADA's banned substance list as well as introduce an element of randomized element to sample collecting.

    Here's where things get interesting; GSP's asked a litany of specific questions that Keith Kizer refused to answer with too much detail because doing so would undermine the legitimacy of the drug testing program. Furthermore, in the process of coming to an agreement GSP's management said they would be unreachable for 10 days and this was taken as a tacit refusal to participate in the NSAC enhanced testing program. I can only assume that the tacit refusal to participate in the NSAC enhanced testing was because GSP didn't get the answers he wanted. Not a brash assumption.

    Among those questions were (and these are direct quotes from the emails)

    My Thoughts/Questions:

    1) Why did GSP's team want to know exactly what the samples would be tested for? Especially when he already knew that they would be following WADA's list. Even

    2) Why did GSP's team specifically ask about "19-norandrosterone, la testosterone, la DHEA etc." for the specific laboratory method "IRMS"? BTW, 19-norandrosterone is a metabolite of "Deca".

    3) It's pretty unprofessional to be out of reach for 10 days when trying to strike an important deal. I would assume this is a tacit refusal to participate in NSAC enhanced testing. Keith Kizer had the same interpretation.

    Cliffs:
    - Hendricks initially agreed to VADA and then refused VADA citing GSP's likeness on their website as evidence of impartiality
    - GSP tacitly refused NSAC enhanced testing through SMRTL by being out of pocket for 10 days. GSP's refusal was due to the fact that Keith Kizer would not divulge specific details of the tests because doing so would practically render the testing useless.
    - GSP did VADA anyway to save face

    Edit: This is not a defense of Hendricks that guy is/was juiced.

     
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    Just come out and say it and stop doing 10 long passive aggressive accusation. Speak your mind, young man.
     
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    Hendricks was in no rush to do any advanced testing at all.. The proof is in his horrendous dog shit performances after. Dude could not even make weight off the juice. GSP under full USADA protocol, finished the MW champ after a 4 year layoff. The rest is pure speculation.
     
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    And Keith Kizer is corrupt. That is why he is gone..
     
  5. Hitto

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    atleast johnny kept fighting, GSP ran off before usada could test him.
     
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    what's even more interesting is that his "doctors" were needing this information.

    like he said on jre, the game now is who can beat usada and get the edge.

    once a vaseline cheater always a cheater.
     
  7. Toco

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    GSP has a long history of shadiness
     
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    Probably because there was no USADA in UFC when he retired, or did he avoid testing that wasn't there somehow?
     
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  10. MescalineDreams

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    I would agree that the Johny Hendricks testing situation was sketchy on GSP and his team's part.

    If they really wanted to take part In enhanced testing under the wada accredited Salt lake city lab they would have done so. Seemed like they were Insistent on VADA at the time.

    I really don't have anything against GSP and quite honestly I don't care who's using anymore. That whole situation was a massive red flag to me though and It seemed like his team went Into full damage control mode, turning It back on hendricks.

    This is just my opinion / thoughts on the matter though.
     
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    And now we get to see GSP vs. Nate.

    So worth the wait.
     
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    NEVER flagged for a violation, undeniably the WW GOAT, arguably the P4P GOAT, two division champ.

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    GSP: solid guy, double weight champ,. The goat, and exposing Kizer.. He's Clarke fucking kent and Peter Parker rolled together. Lol
     
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    He also tapped to strikes against matt serra and quit the sport after johnny beat the shit out of
    him
     
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    It's funny to watch folks grasp at straws to discredit GSP.

    Usually due to him having beat their favorite fighter.

    Guy is the one true GOAT.
     
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    My take on this is that Georges had it on good authority that johny was cheating and possibly he was told of the substance by someone/ possibly a mole.

    Why would the guy initiate everything and then start panicking over what they would be testing for? Makes no sense.
    Sounds like he was more concerned that Johny might dupe the test imo unless Georges is just stupid( which I don’t think that he is)
     
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    The real Hendricks at WW is the one Wonderboy tooled and whooped. If That Hendricks fought GSP, it is a 50-43 clinic.
     
  18. MescalineDreams

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    I dunno honestly. Hendricks was always a fatty tbh. Dolce complained about how fat Hendricks got between his camps long before USADA came around.

    I feel like his issue is more discipline, food, and diet based as opposed to PED's. Personally.

    To me, guys who are juicing..aren't the rampages, bj penn's who get really fat between camps.

    And Hendricks was the one who suggested WADA or USADA in the first place. Not GSP. If he were really on the juice, seems a little odd that he'd be suggesting doing the most strict testing. And more specifically requesting random testing.

    and yes I'm aware vada supposedly uses wada accredited labs. @dimspace went into detail on their lack of credibility though, compared to a legitimate wada accredited lab who posts all their data or USADA..they're a joke.
     
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    Drak place GSp is gonna surface and its a gonna be scary
     
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    should i read that in a Canadian accent?
     

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