The corruption of USADA

[TheComputerGuy]

Cyborg had documents proving who gave it to her, why etc etc

The usual suspects just say "tainted supplements" , "didnt know it had banned substances in it"

So its a little different of a case, if only Jones had a prescription for that Caine

How does that change anything. NFL players were getting roids from their doctors.

If it was legit she would have reported using it.

 

[Pacemaker Joe]

How does that change anything. NFL players were getting roids from their doctors.

If it was legit she would have reported using it.

NFL players don't have other doctors with no connection to them review their case and say that yes, they actually do need them due to an illness.

She absolutely should have reported it, and didn't (even on the test form when she was caught - wtf), but it did pass review.

USADA should tighten up that rule to match the WADA standard though, where an athlete is required, rather than suggested, to request all TUEs in advance, or as soon as possible after emergency treatment.

Erik Magraken got a reply from a USADA rep, answering a few questions...

https://combatsportslaw.com/2017/02/20/two-questions-from-cyborgs-retroactive-ufcusada-tue/

 

[LordMayorMuffSniff]

No TRT for athletes. Too many ways to abuse it and benefit from it. When your natural T is too low to compete, it's game over. Next.

Of course you benefit from it. You benefit from creatine. What does benefiting from something have to do with anything? Point me to the study that says MMA is safer under USADA.

You use the words natural. What is natural? Surgery isn't natural. Fighting in a cage isn't natural. Training 3 times a day isn't natural… Who draws the line on what is 'natural enough'? USADA?

What do they know about MMA? What studies have they done on MMA? What studies have they done on the health risks of MMA? None.

They know nothing about it. They exist because the UFC want to market a clean sport. And why does the UFC want to market a clean sport? Because of snow flake fans who believe superman is real.

 

[TheComputerGuy]

NFL players don't have other doctors with no connection to them review their case and say that yes, they actually do need them due to an illness.

She absolutely should have reported it, and didn't (even on the test form when she was caught - wtf), but it did pass review.

USADA should tighten up that rule to match the WADA standard though, where an athlete is required, rather than suggested, to request all TUEs in advance, or as soon as possible after emergency treatment.

Erik Magraken got a reply from a USADA rep, answering a few questions...

https://combatsportslaw.com/2017/02/20/two-questions-from-cyborgs-retroactive-ufcusada-tue/

Exactly how can a doctor review after the fact. She didn't report it because a doctor might have checked her out.

 

[dickcheney]

Cyborgs not a cash cow BUT she's the only athlete that can make their new division not a complete waste of time

 

[cobrinski]

They are corrupted from they one.Like in every other profit.or no-profite orgs...

 

[Mr Wings]

I'm with you TS.

I was annoyed as fuck when they released the new rules. So fake.

 

[Mr Wings]

Regarding Cyborg though...

Part of me loves the thought that Cyborg's USADA problem was just a beautiful trick the UFC pulled to try and make a name fighter like Holly look really bad if they refuse to fight her.

Now Germaine trying to dodge her. "Holly deserves a rematch." "I can't fight Cyborg; I gotta get hand surgery."

 

[Davemeddlehed]

Didn't they give Bork a waiver as well?

They did not give him a waiver for his failed test. They waived the 4 month coming out of retirement period.

Cyborg is the only fighter I can remember since USADA was partnered with to get a TUE retroactively after a failed test.

 

[AkuraIchiban]

Of course you benefit from it. You benefit from creatine. What does benefiting from something have to do with anything? Point me to the study that says MMA is safer under USADA.

You use the words natural. What is natural? Surgery isn't natural. Fighting in a cage isn't natural. Training 3 times a day isn't natural… Who draws the line on what is 'natural enough'? USADA?

What do they know about MMA? What studies have they done on MMA? What studies have they done on the health risks of MMA? None.

They know nothing about it. They exist because the UFC want to market a clean sport. And why does the UFC want to market a clean sport? Because of snow flake fans who believe superman is real.

Umm...people with disabilities for example missing limbs compete against other people with disabilities. You can't use prosthetic limbs in regular competition. If you need "prosthetic" testosterone, you shouldn't be eligible to compete against NATURAL fighters. Too many ways to abuse it.

 

[AkuraIchiban]

They did not give him a waiver for his failed test. They waived the 4 month coming out of retirement period.

Cyborg is the only fighter I can remember since USADA was partnered with to get a TUE retroactively after a failed test.

Cuz they just changed the policy

 

[cobrinski]

Ppl think that Usada and others anti-criminal orgs are clean.They are on top in that pyramid of corruption.Best insurance,and safest for interest groups to control everything,from money,market,laundering..Nobodycontrols them,if does,they are last link in chain.Fuck the biggest sport.org and fake anti-criminal org.They all work together.If you are daily in billions of $$$, industry-you can't be clean.Same shit,crim.groups.That's why criminal is in every sport,when their leaders are dirty sons of....Uefa,fifa,cycling,yesterday russian olimpics,tennis,today usa atletics,box,...dirty mofos.And mma-ufc is clean?C'mon

 

[LordMayorMuffSniff]

Umm...people with disabilities for example missing limbs compete against other people with disabilities. You can't use prosthetic limbs in regular competition. If you need "prosthetic" testosterone, you shouldn't be eligible to compete against NATURAL fighters. Too many ways to abuse it.

What is a natural fighter? If you catch a cold, it isn't 'natural' to take cold medicine. If you get cut, it isn't natural to get stitches. Why do we suddenly draw the line with testosterone?

 

[AkuraIchiban]

What is a natural fighter? If you catch a cold, it isn't 'natural' to take cold medicine. If you get cut, it isn't natural to get stitches. Why do we suddenly draw the line with testosterone?

I don't know the word in English but what you're doing now is simply 'saivartelua'

 

[NRG]

You're reaching.

 

[chuckleknuckle]

What is a natural fighter? If you catch a cold, it isn't 'natural' to take cold medicine. If you get cut, it isn't natural to get stitches. Why do we suddenly draw the line with testosterone?

Loosely, the definitions of natural performance are based on average ratios of output/maximum tested possible ergonomic outputs of physical attributes of the human body.

So for example, T/E ratios that are normal for about 99% of humans are used for the definition of natural. If you deviate from them by a certain % that is reachable by drug use, then that is considered unnatural.

If taking a cold medication made you perform out with the average set of paramteters, then it becomes performance enhancing.

Natural in sports nutrition does not refer to something that is non-man made, it is a reference to an expected set of biological parameters based on known and tested science.

That being said, Fuck USADA.

 

[LUDELOW]

NFL players don't have other doctors with no connection to them review their case and say that yes, they actually do need them due to an illness.

She absolutely should have reported it, and didn't (even on the test form when she was caught - wtf), but it did pass review.

USADA should tighten up that rule to match the WADA standard though, where an athlete is required, rather than suggested, to request all TUEs in advance, or as soon as possible after emergency treatment.

Erik Magraken got a reply from a USADA rep, answering a few questions...

https://combatsportslaw.com/2017/02/20/two-questions-from-cyborgs-retroactive-ufcusada-tue/

why does Jeff talk about USADA all the time, when he follows the UFC rules? why make separate rules? is their something wrong with the USADA rules?

and we are still waiting for a reply from USADA

 

[dim_]

Cuz they just changed the policy

In relation to Cyborg, no, they didn't change the policy

The retroactive tue policy just wasnt what we thought it was

 

[Franklin U.]

I wouldn't be shocked if certain fighters were umbrella-ed but I'm happy as a whole so far.Most fighters past the eye test today so things are pretty fair right now.

 

[Pacemaker Joe]

why does Jeff talk about USADA all the time, when he follows the UFC rules? why make separate rules? is their something wrong with the USADA rules?

and we are still waiting for a reply from USADA

The code posted on the USADA site is for national and international athletes (Olympics, say). Not the UFC.

The WADA code has an exemption that covers what the UFC and USADA did:

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/wada-2015-world-anti-doping-code.pdf

4.4.5 If an Anti-Doping Organization chooses to collect a Sample from a Person who is not an InternationalLevel or National-Level Athlete, and that Person is Using a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method for therapeutic reasons, the Anti-Doping Organization may permit him or her to apply for a retroactive TUE.

The international standard makes this a little more clear in their requirements for a retroactive TUE:
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/wada-2016-istue-final-en_0.pdf

4.3 An Athlete may only be granted retroactive approval for his/her Therapeutic Use of a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method (i.e., a retroactive TUE) if:

a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or

b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or

c. The applicable rules required the Athlete (see comment to Article 5.1) or permitted the Athlete (see Code Article 4.4.5) to apply for a retroactive TUE; or
Comment to 4.3(c): Such Athletes are strongly advised to have a medical file prepared and ready to demonstrate their satisfaction of the TUE conditions set out at Article 4.1, in case an application for a retroactive TUE is necessary following Sample collection.]

d. It is agreed, by WADA and by the Anti-Doping Organization to whom the application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made, that fairness requires the grant of a retroactive TUE.

The conditions on the USADA site omit 4.3(c), because it's meant for national and international athletes. The differences in the UFC's policy are permitted under 4.4.5 of the WADA code.

The Prohibited list is more or less non-negotiable. You'd have to go through WADA to get it changed. Which is why MLB uses the Montreal lab for testing, but doesn't go through CCES or USADA to do it - they can implement a different prohibited list.