PC Sherdog PC Build/Buy Thread, v6: My Power Supply Burned Down My House

reveler said:
i am planning to use my current monitor, which is 1080p. im interested in the new doom (and upcoming expansion), witcher 3, and dark souls 3.
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Doom (specifically 2016) runs better on AMD cards, I haven’t looked into Witcher and dark souls specifically

If doom is your primary gaming concern then you might want to look into the amd lineup instead of in nvidia.

 
reveler said:
i am planning to use my current monitor, which is 1080p. im interested in the new doom (and upcoming expansion), witcher 3, and dark souls 3.
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I forgot to ask above, but is your current system a prebuilt computer made by Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc? If so, what model number is the computer.

All the stuff I posted from here down is dependent on what your current system is. Prebuilts can be goofy with some hardware, a model number will help decode the mystery.
I can't find a 3770 1060 6gb benchmark for Dark Souls 3. I found benchmarks for Doom and Witcher 3.
Doom on an i7-3770 and a GTX 1060 6gb.


Witcher 3 benchmarks i7-3770 and a GTX 1060 6gb



Here's some charts comparing your CPU to more modern CPU's. Your i7-3770 is equal in performance to the i7-2600k Stock HT1 so use that CPU as a comparison. You won't see the numbers from these charts in games, they use very powerful graphics card to eliminate any frame rate differences that may come from the GPU.
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To address your comment about the Verge, that guy was a complete moron. There's videos out there that go over step by step on how to build a computer.
To counter the Verge's video, here's an 8 year old building a computer by herself







90 50 said:
Doom (specifically 2016) runs better on AMD cards, I haven’t looked into Witcher and dark souls specifically

If doom is your primary gaming concern then you might want to look into the amd lineup instead of in nvidia.

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If he's doing 1080p gaming, there's no reason to upgrade his CPU, Mobo, etc. He's already stated he's dealing with a 460w power supply. GTX 1060 6gb recommended power supply is 400w meanwhile the comparable AMD card, the RX580 8gb has a 500w recommended power supply. For 1080p 60fps high/ultra settings the GTX 1060 6gb would be the card to get unless it's a certain prebuilt. Prebuilts can be goofy and research needs to be done before upgrades to modern hardware.
 
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jefferz said:
I forgot to ask above, but is your current system a prebuilt computer made by Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc? If so, what model number is the computer.

All the stuff I posted from here down is dependent on what your current system is. Prebuilts can be goofy with some hardware, a model number will help decode the mystery.
I can't find a 3770 1060 6gb benchmark for Dark Souls 3. I found benchmarks for Doom and Witcher 3.
Doom on an i7-3770 and a GTX 1060 6gb.


Witcher 3 benchmarks i7-3770 and a GTX 1060 6gb



Here's some charts comparing your CPU to more modern CPU's. Your i7-3770 is equal in performance to the i7-2600k Stock HT1 so use that CPU as a comparison. You won't see the numbers from these charts in games, they use very powerful graphics card to eliminate any frame rate differences that may come from the GPU.
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Yeah that’s why I gave up on my old prebuilt revamp quest, all the issues I found with HP specifically not working with gpu’s at all in a lot of scenarios even though you could physically put one in.

I spent months researching and finding super cheap deals on towers with i72600’s and just said f it and bought my pieces off clist and built my r3/970 rig for right under 400.00

It’s gonna get a little more money into it soon as I am thinking about putting a m.2 drive and a r5 2600 in it, and upgrade the graphics card.

But I’ll rekindle some money throwing together a cheap rig with the r3 and my 1050ti that’s sitting around doing nothing and sell the 970 outright.







If he's doing 1080p gaming, there's no reason to upgrade his CPU, Mobo, etc. He's already stated he's dealing with a 460w power supply. GTX 1060 6gb recommended power supply is 400w meanwhile the comparable AMD card, the RX580 8gb has a 500w recommended power supply. For 1080p 60fps high/ultra settings the GTX 1060 6gb would be the card to get unless it's a certain prebuilt. Prebuilts can be goofy and research needs to be done before upgrades to modern hardware.
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jefferz said:
I forgot to ask above, but is your current system a prebuilt computer made by Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc? If so, what model number is the computer.

All the stuff I posted from here down is dependent on what your current system is. Prebuilts can be goofy with some hardware, a model number will help decode the mystery.
I can't find a 3770 1060 6gb benchmark for Dark Souls 3. I found benchmarks for Doom and Witcher 3.
Doom on an i7-3770 and a GTX 1060 6gb.


Witcher 3 benchmarks i7-3770 and a GTX 1060 6gb



Here's some charts comparing your CPU to more modern CPU's. Your i7-3770 is equal in performance to the i7-2600k Stock HT1 so use that CPU as a comparison. You won't see the numbers from these charts in games, they use very powerful graphics card to eliminate any frame rate differences that may come from the GPU.
2600k-revisit-wd2_1.png

2600k-revisit-tww.png

2600k-revisit-gtav.png

2600k-revisit-mll.png


To address your comment about the Verge, that guy was a complete moron. There's videos out there that go over step by step on how to build a computer.
To counter the Verge's video, here's an 8 year old building a computer by herself









If he's doing 1080p gaming, there's no reason to upgrade his CPU, Mobo, etc. He's already stated he's dealing with a 460w power supply. GTX 1060 6gb recommended power supply is 400w meanwhile the comparable AMD card, the RX580 8gb has a 500w recommended power supply. For 1080p 60fps high/ultra settings the GTX 1060 6gb would be the card to get unless it's a certain prebuilt. Prebuilts can be goofy and research needs to be done before upgrades to modern hardware.
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current system is a dell xps 8500.

another reason to potentially get a whole new computer is that i see a lot of comments in newegg about case cooling and i doubt this case is designed with the cool considerations of a modern gpu.
 
reveler said:
current system is a dell xps 8500.

another reason to potentially get a whole new computer is that i see a lot of comments in newegg about case cooling and i doubt this case is designed with the cool considerations of a modern gpu.
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Doing some basic google fu, there's lots of examples of people successully putting 1060's in the Dell XPS 8500 with the stock power supply. There are some posts about a GTX1070 working as well, but that would be pushing it to the edge. The Dell XPS has a normal power supply so if you wanted to add a GTX1070 or GTX1080, you could add a bigger power supply for around $50.
Power supplies are really easy to change. 4 screws and the electrical connectors. The electrical connectors are different sizes for each component so there's no worries about plugging the cable into the wrong place.
Modern GPU's actually run cooler compared to older hardware due to them being more power efficient.
 
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reveler said:
current system is a dell xps 8500.

another reason to potentially get a whole new computer is that i see a lot of comments in newegg about case cooling and i doubt this case is designed with the cool considerations of a modern gpu.
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It’s also possible you could get a 19.00 case like this one and move everything over, there might be some quirks with the dell board you might need to find a work around for and or the psu mounting though..

19.00 2x120 led case fans mid tower case
https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16811353150

Or for 29.00 these with 3x120mm led fan and usb 3.0 cap

https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16811353057


Edit: it looks like it’s micro atx, so those I listed will work fine.

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2642153/case-dell-xps-8500.html
 
Upgraded from an I5 3570K to a I5 8600K, + motherboard, ram, couldn't get display to come up after some hours of tinkering and the motherboard wasn't showing the code lights.

Fuck , figured the mb was shot and was gonna have someone look and see wtf was defective among the 3 new parts(mb cpu ram), went to bed kinda pissed

Woke up the next day decided to reseat the cpu and then unplugged the power cords from the power supply and plugged them back in....BAM its all good now

PC gaming sometimes .....whew
 
Monsteer said:
so what is the best budget video card out for under 300$

I have a 1gig amd radeon 6700 right now. looking to upgrade that

https://ibb.co/jPnhL0
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Are you putting this in a prebuilt like a Dell or HP?

Can you stretch your budget $10? There's an EVGA GTX1070 SC2 iCX for $310, it's an insane deal. There's a $20 rebate as well, so the total cost would be $290. It also come with a free copy of the new Monster Hunter game. An Nvidia GTX1070 will do more than 1080p 60fps high settings on any game, it will do 1440 60fps on low-medium settings.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487320 @Madmick don't know if you seen this deal.

If you can't come up with the extra $10, look towards an nVidia GTX1060 6GB or AMD RX580 8gb version. You're going to pay around $250 for a good 1060 6gb or RX 580 8gb. A GTX1060 6gb or RX580 8gb will do 1080p 60fps high settings on today's games.
Personally, I would spend the extra $60 and get the GTX1070. In 2 years when the hardware gets older and games become more demanding, the 1060 6gb/580 8gb versions will do 1080p 40fps high settings when new games come out. Since the gtx1070 is a more powerful card, it will allow you to get 1080p 60fps high settings for 3, maybe 4 years.

If you're not going to go for the 1070, hold off a couple weeks before you buy a 1060 6gb or the RX580 8gb. AMD card is supposed to come out with a card slightly faster than the RX580 8gb on the 15th of this month.
 
I read so much about new intel processors.
Is my i7 7700K still cool ?
 
Hey guys I want to see what you guys think of this PC build:https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

Obviously I want a powerful gaming PC, but I also want to save money and pay off some of the driving fines I have. So I'm thinking I should just buy the speakers and keyboard and mouse in a best buy store. The games I want to play on here are R6, black ops 4, possibly battlefield v, gta 5, and red dead redemption 2.

Last year I got a gaming laptop and than sold it but didn't get the money so I basically got scammed for it (good times).


Edit: I forgot RDR 2 isn't out until next year on PC.
 
ironkhan57 said:
Hey guys I want to see what you guys think of this PC build:https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

Obviously I want a powerful gaming PC, but I also want to save money and pay off some of the driving fines I have. So I'm thinking I should just buy the speakers and keyboard and mouse in a best buy store. The games I want to play on here are R6, black ops 4, possibly battlefield v, gta 5, and red dead redemption 2.

Last year I got a gaming laptop and than sold it but didn't get the money so I basically got scammed for it (good times).


Edit: I forgot RDR 2 isn't out until next year on PC.
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Your link is a blank slate, nothing picked.
 
ironkhan57 said:
Hey guys I want to see what you guys think of this PC build:https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

Obviously I want a powerful gaming PC, but I also want to save money and pay off some of the driving fines I have. So I'm thinking I should just buy the speakers and keyboard and mouse in a best buy store. The games I want to play on here are R6, black ops 4, possibly battlefield v, gta 5, and red dead redemption 2.

Last year I got a gaming laptop and than sold it but didn't get the money so I basically got scammed for it (good times).


Edit: I forgot RDR 2 isn't out until next year on PC.
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Go to your build page, and find the box that says "Permalink". Copy that link to share the build with us.
reveler said:
what about the rx 580 but 4gb instead of 8 gb. this looks like a decent prebuilt.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227854

at 1080, seems like the vram doesnt move the needle.

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It's true that there is an imbalance between the CPU and GPU, but looking forward, if the GPU you select meets the ceiling of your current demand, and you're staying within your budget, then this strategy actually makes more sense than any other. The reason is simple. CPU upgrades are rarely needed. GPU upgrades are the most commonly required. This is especially true since the current (Intel 8th) generation is the first core-shift in a decade, and while it looks like expanding cores is going to become more frequent, since it's become much more difficult to shrink the die size, I still strongly doubt that the i7-8700 won't meet the "Recommended" (above "Minimum") requirements for even AAA games for at least the next 5-6 years.

So buying a big overhead for CPU power while buying the minimum needed for your GPU right now may be imbalanced, but strategically optimal if you don't mind installing GPU upgrades in the future yourself (which is very, very simple).

About VRAM: more VRAM doesn't equal more speed. Either you have enough to meet your demands, or you don't. If you don't have enough for a certain setting, it will allocate the VRAM overflow demands to system RAM, which is much slower, and that will tend to break your framerate, and force you to lower settings until they can fit within amount of VRAM you possess. 4GB is absolutely enough for 1080p settings right now. There's probably only a few games on the market currently that require more than that for Ultra@1080p. One thing that tends to suck up more VRAM than anything else are higher resolutions, first, and intensive modding (which sometimes uses textures rendered natively at a higher resolution, then downsampled).

To get an idea of current marketing prebuild pricing the Amazon Desktop Computer > Tower bestseller list tends to be a great eyeball reference:
https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers...ctronics/13896597011/ref=zg_bs_nav_e_4_565098
Right now that is:
  • #4 -- [$799] CyberPowerPC (i5-8400 + GTX 1060 3GB + 8GB DDR4 + 120GB SSD + 1TB HDD)
  • #7 -- [$779] CyberPowerPC (i5-8400 + RX 580 4GB + 8GB DDR4 + 1TB HDD)
  • #27 -- [$1499] iBuyPower (i7-8700K + GTX 1070 Ti + 16GB DDR4 + 240GB + 1TB HDD, Overclockable)
  • #34 -- [$1099] CyberpowerPC (i7-8700 + GTX 1060 3GB + 16GB DDR4 + 120GB + 1TB HDD)
Both the Newegg and ABS builds that you linked beat the pants off this green build in terms of value.

You can watch Slickdeals for other sales, and also scour Reddit's /buildapc:
https://slickdeals.net/deals/desktop/
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/

Unfortunately, it looks like you just missed this Slickdeal because I was too lazy to create this post three nights ago:
https://slickdeals.net/f/12175663-c...700x-16gb-ddr4-gtx-1070-ti-1139?src=catpagev2
  • R7-2700X (w/X370 Motherboard = overclockable)
  • GTX 1070 Ti 8GB
  • 16GB DDR4 RAM
  • 240GB SSD
  • 2TB HDD
  • 600W PSU 80+
  • 802.11ac WiFi
  • CPPC Keyboard + Mouse included
  • Thermaltake Core G21 Case
  • $1159 (included shipping cost)

I did spot a great sale coming up on Black Friday:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...eflyer-_-111918-112418-_-83-230-377-_-pg3pos4
  • R7-2700X (w/X370 Motherboard = Overclockable)
  • GTX 1080 8GB
  • 8GB DDR4-3000 RAM (ADATA XPG Z1 DDR4-3000MHz RAM)
  • 240GB SSD
  • 1TB HDD
  • 600W PSU 80+ (Thermaltake Smart Series)
  • CPPC Keyboard + Mouse included
  • CyberPowerPC Onyxia Black Gaming Case w/Window
  • $1099 (on Black Friday)

Bummer it doesn't come with WiFi, but it's ~$15 for a USB 802.11ac adapter if you want that. You'll definitely want to add a stick of RAM, but that won't run you more than $62 or so. Meanwhile, the GTX 1080 is nearly twice as fast as the RX 580 4GB, and it comes with double the VRAM:
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1080-vs-AMD-RX-580/3603vs3923
 
Madmick said:
Go to your build page, and find the box that says "Permalink". Copy that link to share the build with us.

It's true that there is an imbalance between the CPU and GPU, but looking forward, if the GPU you select meets the ceiling of your current demand, and you're staying within your budget, then this strategy actually makes more sense than any other. The reason is simple. CPU upgrades are rarely needed. GPU upgrades are the most commonly required. This is especially true since the current (Intel 8th) generation is the first core-shift in a decade, and while it looks like expanding cores is going to become more frequent, since it's become much more difficult to shrink the die size, I still strongly doubt that the i7-8700 won't meet the "Recommended" (above "Minimum") requirements for even AAA games for at least the next 5-6 years.

So buying a big overhead for CPU power while buying the minimum needed for your GPU right now may be imbalanced, but strategically optimal if you don't mind installing GPU upgrades in the future yourself (which is very, very simple).

About VRAM: more VRAM doesn't equal more speed. Either you have enough to meet your demands, or you don't. If you don't have enough for a certain setting, it will allocate the VRAM overflow demands to system RAM, which is much slower, and that will tend to break your framerate, and force you to lower settings until they can fit within amount of VRAM you possess. 4GB is absolutely enough for 1080p settings right now. There's probably only a few games on the market currently that require more than that for Ultra@1080p. One thing that tends to suck up more VRAM than anything else are higher resolutions, first, and intensive modding (which sometimes uses textures rendered natively at a higher resolution, then downsampled).

To get an idea of current marketing prebuild pricing the Amazon Desktop Computer > Tower bestseller list tends to be a great eyeball reference:
https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers...ctronics/13896597011/ref=zg_bs_nav_e_4_565098
Right now that is:
  • #4 -- [$799] CyberPowerPC (i5-8400 + GTX 1060 3GB + 8GB DDR4 + 120GB SSD + 1TB HDD)
  • #7 -- [$779] CyberPowerPC (i5-8400 + RX 580 4GB + 8GB DDR4 + 1TB HDD)
  • #27 -- [$1499] iBuyPower (i7-8700K + GTX 1070 Ti + 16GB DDR4 + 240GB + 1TB HDD, Overclockable)
  • #34 -- [$1099] CyberpowerPC (i7-8700 + GTX 1060 3GB + 16GB DDR4 + 120GB + 1TB HDD)
Both the Newegg and ABS builds that you linked beat the pants off this green build in terms of value.

You can watch Slickdeals for other sales, and also scour Reddit's /buildapc:
https://slickdeals.net/deals/desktop/
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/

Unfortunately, it looks like you just missed this Slickdeal because I was too lazy to create this post three nights ago:
https://slickdeals.net/f/12175663-c...700x-16gb-ddr4-gtx-1070-ti-1139?src=catpagev2
  • R7-2700X (w/X370 Motherboard = overclockable)
  • GTX 1070 Ti 8GB
  • 16GB DDR4 RAM
  • 240GB SSD
  • 2TB HDD
  • 600W PSU 80+
  • 802.11ac WiFi
  • CPPC Keyboard + Mouse included
  • Thermaltake Core G21 Case
  • $1159 (included shipping cost)

I did spot a great sale coming up on Black Friday:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...eflyer-_-111918-112418-_-83-230-377-_-pg3pos4
  • R7-2700X (w/X370 Motherboard = Overclockable)
  • GTX 1080 8GB
  • 8GB DDR4-3000 RAM (ADATA XPG Z1 DDR4-3000MHz RAM)
  • 240GB SSD
  • 1TB HDD
  • 600W PSU 80+ (Thermaltake Smart Series)
  • CPPC Keyboard + Mouse included
  • CyberPowerPC Onyxia Black Gaming Case w/Window
  • $1099 (on Black Friday)

Bummer it doesn't come with WiFi, but it's ~$15 for a USB 802.11ac adapter if you want that. You'll definitely want to add a stick of RAM, but that won't run you more than $62 or so. Meanwhile, the GTX 1080 is nearly twice as fast as the RX 580 4GB, and it comes with double the VRAM:
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1080-vs-AMD-RX-580/3603vs3923
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Isn't this one it:
ironkhan57 said:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rp88mq

This is the right link.

Here's another one if that one doesn't work:
(https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wqbRRJ)
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