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  1. Defeat Unknown Red Belt

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    The sepia scenes are especially cleaned up. A lot clearer and more detail. I noticed some things that I'd previously not noticed before despite seeing the film several times.

    Watched the Geoff Dyer interview. It's interesting to see how people perceive and interpret the film. I've seen and read so many different interpretations, all of them fascinating. Was hoping his book would go on sale to coincide with this release but no luck.

    I love the railroad scene on the cart. It's mesmerizing. And the dream sequences with the dog... so bizarre.
     
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    Watched turbo kid today. Thought it was awesome and recommend to people who enjoy and can appreciate a good 80's throwback.

    The practicals effects are great, the acting is great and the story is great it is cheesey but if you can appreciate why it is then it is the movie for you.
    Also amazing sound track!

     
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    @Dragonlordxxxxx you have a review of Dunkirk yet? Hearing it's phenomenal. Gonna go see this weekend.
     
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    Yeah man the reviews are absolutely stellar. Definitely looking forward to going to see it either tomorrow or Sunday.
     
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    Finally a good copy of Logan is out. If it was truly a great movie I could have watched and enjoyed the cam version. I did with Black Swan and Mad Max: Fury Road, but those are the only two ever.
     
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  7. HUNTERMANIA God alone.

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    I'm actually liking Season 5 of House of Cards better than I did Season 4.


    Pretty good shit.
     
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    House of Cards Season 5 was pretty fucking dope all the way through. That show is too crazy sometimes, but I just roll with it. This season was a lot better than the last one... it focused on what it's good: the political in-fighting... it's not out in a different world somewhere, it's down the hall from you. It's a good show.
     
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    War for the Planet of the Apes - 5/10

    Was totally shocked to see at the overwhelmingly positive reception it's getting. The effects and 3d were incredible, but this was just sentimentalist trash taking every opportunity they could to tug at heart strings. It was like Focus Group: The Movie.
     
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  10. Ricky13 You are who you choose to be.

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    What's in bold is what I was going to say, only with like, more words.

    Baby Driver is a painstaking synthesis of archetypes having a go at each other, right down to the presumed villain seeing it the good guy's way. It's pretty cool if you get past the problem of the film's essence. Because when it comes down to it Wright holds tension well, makes you feel elated when he wants, sad when he wants, touched etc., hence the general reaction to it, as opposed to say, the re-analyses of La La Land.

    While building a bunch of archetypes can make a lot of the cast seem forced into their dialogue, it complicates the protagonist nicely. I loved Baby's journey. There's gravity to the idea that he is a criminal, but only sees himself as in "the life" until his debt is paid. And in true musical fashion, it's mouthed right at the start in case you didn't get it from how much he has to live in his own head.

    The magic, really, though, is that Wright's final acts often forego the archetypes in order to allow the morality of the film to be centre-stage. His movies become more and more about the ugly truth. Baby embraces the criminal he is in how he disposes of Bats.

    Wright likes doing this. There's a cost, always. A lesson being learned often involves breaking some eggs. Sergeant Angel finally learns to switch off, but he is now a fascist. Scott gets the girl by earning self-respect, but he had to break a girl's heart for it to happen.

    It's why the antagonist, Bats, is switched out for Buddy in the end. You can embrace your being a criminal. But now deal with the consequences of having to contend with the one guy you actually liked in a fight to the death.

    And aside from all this thematic crap, I loved the things everyone liked about it. The kinetics, the incredible foot chase, the nods to Halloween. I like how Baby needs the music to cue up the heists, that it's a crutch. That was a great little character flourish. I loved the Blow Out nod as well:



    It was more or less made for me. And I hope you like it the way I do someday. And thank you for elaborating. I really wish I could take on each and every thing you said about it, but I noted a central (tonal) concern within your criticisms, from which your issues (narratively) with the film appeared to stem. So my moves had to be a bit like this:

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    I don't think you're wrong about most of it, mainly because you're right that there's flimsy character cues as this is, functionally, a musical. But I hope I've helped you see it works well for what it embraced, and doesn't forget to actually construct those cues.

    Check out The Driver, Blow Out, The Warriors and watch every musical you can when you can. They're really great. If you don't believe me, check this out, just for some celluloid porn, and because I don't even need an excuse to introduce someone to this awesomeness, really:



    Holy shit! Is that really you?

    Where the hell you been man? How's life and stuff?

    You seen Dunkirk yet?

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    Do it.

    It's so damn good man. Nowadays I just love it for how organically the central friendship grows despite being so indebted to film.

    Indeed I have. Made my favorites from last year. Saw it at the movies, in fact. Script is something else.
     
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    I enjoyed "A Cure For Wellness", anyone else?
     
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    Yeah it was pretty good. One of those films that is just delightful in it's own oddness. Structurally it was kind of unsound in how he just stumbles around and finds everything over and over again and is never permanently reprimanded by the hospital staff (and how the hell did he get out of that dentist scene?). And the movie has like four different fake ending-moments, with him in the tank or him asking the girl why anyone would want to leave. But movies like this really live-and-die by their ambiance, so criticism like that which would be pretty major in a normal film are more of nitpicks in a movie like this one.
     
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    I like the film a lot; however I do agree with you, I wish it had a final ending scene, rather than jumping from one fake ending, to another.. only to end with viewers that are a little tired of these 'conclusions'.
     
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    Tried to watch the new Alien movie and holy shit what the fuck happened? No tension, no suspense, no good characters, just overall terrible. I didn't watch the whole movie so I can't give it a rating, it was unbearable much like Prometheus.
     
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    Watched Sultan not too long ago. I would rate it 7/10 for a Indian Bollywood movie, but nowhere as good as others I've seen.

    Anyone here into Japanese action or samurai type movies? Looking for some good movies to watch. I like moves such as Rurouni Kenshin, Crows, The Butler. I know all these are based off Manga, which is probably why I like it.
     
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  16. Bullitt68 Senior Moderator

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    You guys have no idea how much I hate not being able to post in here, but forget about shit not slowing down, shit keeps picking up. I'm writing like a fiend and I'm already lining up a potential job that I'm not going to get but that requires just as much time and work as it would if I was going to get it. It's the good kind of busy, but since it keeps me from posting in here with the frequency I've become accustomed to over the years, it's only so good.

    I haven't watched much lately. Still haven't seen Dunkirk, but that's less me being busy and more me not wanting to travel four hours (eight round trip) to see it on 70mm IMAX while at the same time not wanting to see it in a regular theater. I realize that the result is me not seeing it at all, but I can't work my way out of the irrational nonsense in my head to get out and see it.

    However, I thought some of you would be interested to know that, partly due to the gf's appreciation of his films and partly due to a fortuitous recent rewatch of Annie Hall, my new mission is to work my way through the Woody Allen filmography. I have my problems with the man (that whiny little runt) but when I rewatched Annie Hall I found it far easier than it'd ever been to separate the man from the filmmaker and really appreciate the filmmaking. That inspired me, so now I'm going to watch all the heavy hitters.

    Last night I watched Interiors. I still say Allen's attempts to be Ingmar Bergman were doomed to failure. That type of heavy emotionality and philosophical profundity just isn't within his reach. The whole film was entirely devoid of insight. And none of the three sisters (yes, including Diane Keaton) did anything worth a shit. Even Sam Waterston, who I love, had nothing to offer. Hopefully Manhattan will be more like my experience with Annie Hall than with Interiors.

    Also, nothing to do with Woody Allen, I recently watched two films with really wicked plots. The first film is a Spanish film from 2011 called The Hidden Face (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1772250/). One of the coolest plots in recent memory. It starts with a guy watching a video message left by his girlfriend telling him that she's leaving and that he shouldn't bother looking for her. He alerts the police, they search for her, but no luck. He goes out drinking every night, and eventually, he and the waitress at the bar he frequents start hooking up and eventually shack up together. To give you any more than this would ruin the effect of the film, but suffice it to say there's one kick in the ass after the other. The acting isn't the best and the script relies on one too many cliched lines of dialogue, but fuck me if the core plotting isn't awesome.

    The second film is an English-language Italian film from 2013 called The Best Offer (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1924396/) made by the guy who did Cinema Paradiso and starring Geoffrey Rush and Donald Sutherland. Another really cool plot. A bit more Langian than Hitchcockian, Rush plays a solitary art lover and auctioneer who finds himself in a bizarre "relationship" with a woman who nobody has ever seen. You know there's something off with this woman, but what actually goes down is probably going to be very different than what you were expecting.

    @Ricky13, I think you'd get a real kick out of working your way through the mechanics of The Hidden Face if you haven't seen it. And @europe1, I think you'd really appreciate the Langness of The Best Offer if you haven't seen it.
     
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  17. Ricky13 You are who you choose to be.

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    Having the same problems. Forget posting, not even seen shit this year, sometimes not even the things I really want to watch.

    Good luck with the job. You never know mang.

    Have you submitted? Do we get a copy?

    I'm travelling to London from Nottingham to see it, luckily because it coincided with a break away from work that weekend anyway (the next one, seeing it Saturday at the BFI Soutbank).

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    I'm not sure you'd forgive yourself for not seeing it in 70mm IMAX, so do it. Take a book with you, your laptop or journal articles or interview prep shit or whatever for work, but do it. I have my problems with Nolan, but this seems too important to miss.

    I always thought you were nuts for not at least appreciating him. I'm glad you're trying him out. I recommended Crimes and Misdemeanours to Cav recently. I would for you as well for one of his dramas. Try Hannah and Her Sisters too.

    I did him chronologically way back. Missed a few on the way.

    It's now on the list.

    EDIT:

    Actually, I've tried doing this with you before but I'm going to try again. I'll watch this if you watch this:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2389182/

    Let me know if we have a deal.
     
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    I applied for it with the energy as if it was in the bag but I'm living my day-to-day life in reality (where the chances of me getting a lectureship on my first attempt still without a full draft of my thesis let alone my PhD are fucking slim) as if I don't have a prayer. The job/person specifications were such (no PhD required, practical experience preferred, greater emphasis on publications than teaching, shit like that) that even now I'm a pretty strong candidate on paper, so I just couldn't pass up the chance however slim. I didn't want to live with "I wonder if I would've gotten that if I just would've applied" type thoughts rolling around in my head.

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    That said, I'm not exactly lining up a new place or calling moving companies to haul my shit out.

    No, I haven't submitted. I'm not even done writing yet. That's why the pace has escalated of late. If I get this thing, that's going to put a very long pause on my writing, so I want to get as much done now while I still have free time. Best-case scenario, by the end of August I have a full draft, but that best-case scenario is virtually a pipe dream. Realistically, I'll probably end the summer with about 25% left to write (granted, it'll be the easiest 25% to write, which means it'll take the shortest amount of time, but it's 25% of material left all the same).

    Obviously, this is not going according to plan, but I've worked hard over the last 5-10 years to become the type of person who lets opportunities dictate things rather than living with blinkers on and missing shit.



    And when I do finish it, of course I'll pass around copies for the SMD. So much of the shit I'm dealing with is fueled by the conversations/debates/wars I've had in here with you guys ;)

    It's playing at Southbank? I don't know how I missed that. Do you know how long it's going to be there? Either way, let me know what the experience is like. I'm definitely going to try to get my ass down there for that.

    Yeah, I'm doing it chronologically, too. After I rewatched Annie Hall, I figured I'd pick up from there, but I went back and tried to watch some of his earlier stuff where he's just being a pure comedian and man is that shit rough. Play it Again, Sam, which he wrote and starred in but didn't direct, was interesting from a character perspective, but everything else - What's New, Pussycat?, What's Up, Tiger Lily?, and Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex * But Were Afraid to Ask - was fucking terrible (I didn't bother watching Bananas or rewatching Sleeper).

    However, I rewatched Manhattan and thought it was fantastic. Even better than Annie Hall IMO. Right now, that's his best film in my book. I loved the scene with him lying on the couch talking into his tape recorder about why life is worth living. In that one sequence, there's more originality, honesty, and profundity than the entirety of Interiors. Manhattan is the type of thing where his true personality and his true vision can shine.

    I also laughed more at Manhattan than any other film of his. The funniest scene was when he saw Diane Keaton's ex-husband who she talked about as this "devastating" ladies man and he's an even tinier and schmuckier loser than him. I was dying when he called him a "little homunculus" <45>

    And I loved the ending. His Bergman influence is obvious and well-documented, but that smile at the end, that's pure Chaplin. The ending of Manhattan was City Lights all the way.

    Last night, I tried to watch Stardust Memories, where he decided, having tried to make his own version of Bergman's Cries and Whispers with Interiors, he'd try with this one to make his own version of Fellini's 8 1/2. I think everything from Fellini after La Dolce Vita is boring, self-indulgent nonsense with him trying to do ever-more crazy shit to cover over the fact that he'd already exhausted his artistic output and had nothing left to say. Needless to say, Allen going that route himself was a losing proposition. I cut out after half an hour and moved on to A Midsummer Night's Sex Comedy. For that one, he went back to Bergmanland and offered his version of Smiles of a Summer Night, and I thought it was brilliant. My rankings at the moment are Manhattan, Annie Hall, and A Midsummer Night's Sex Comedy. We'll see if, after I'm done, it's still on the podium, but it definitely is now.

    First off, I knew as soon as I saw that José Ferrer was in it that I'd at least like one thing if nothing else, but not only was Ferrer awesome as that pompous philosophy professor, the whole movie was great. And I think even funnier than the little homunculus scene from Manhattan is in A Midsummer Night's Sex Comedy when Mia Farrow has that really long monologue about Paris, how it's the best city for people in love because it allows them to really connect and experience each other in a unique way, and then she asks Ferrer if he agrees and he just responds, "I like large cities." For someone so smart, he didn't understand a single thing she said. Very clever :D

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    Right now, my Woody Allen list has 31 films on it. At the moment, I'm on an Allen role and I'm going to keep going down that track for a while, but if not over the course of my Allen travels, then at the end for sure, I'm definitely up for watching Cheap Thrills in exchange for The Hidden Face.

    Are you looking to get my take on anything in particular or just a general assessment? Because, for you, I'm definitely keen to hear your thoughts on whether you think the male lead's characterization helped or hurt the narrative functionality as well as on whether or not you like the way they mess with time and perspective.
     
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  19. Ricky13 You are who you choose to be.

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    Only enough time to address this bit mate (second year viva tomorrow so I'm dying):

    By Southbank I meant the bigass one, not the one that plays the classics (which is fucking incredible, literally on the Thames, and is about a 10 min walk away from the IMAX I'm talking about). Apologies if that confused you. I should have said the BFI Odeon IMAX.

    It's the big cylindrical mofo you see as soon as you get out at either Embankment or Waterloo tube station, on Charlie Chaplin Walk. You know the one. I watch all Nolan's stuff there. And everything IMAX there too. Biggest true IMAX screen in the country. And probably one of the best presentations in the world (it was Nolan's chosen screen for the UK premiere of Interstellar).

    Here's the link for Dunkirk:

    http://www.odeon.co.uk/films/dunkirk_15_70mm_imax/101197/

    There's a drop down menu as you go down that link where you have to choose a cinema. Choose the only option, i.e. BFI IMAX and then on the new page choose Advance Dates. You'll see it runs (for now) until Aug 24.
     
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  20. Bullitt68 Senior Moderator

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    I hope it went well today. Sounds like a grueling program if you have to do an annual viva :eek:

    No, I confused myself. You cleared up my confusion. I initially looked up the one on the Thames (I've been there twice before, though ironically only for events, not to actually watch anything) hoping it had an IMAX. When I found that it didn't, the only other thing I found was the one in Leicester Square. I didn't realize that the BFI did have an IMAX and that it was simply a separate structure nearby.

    <[analyzed}>

    Thanks for the hook-up. I'm starting up a little summer work thing that'll run through August, but like you, I'm going to try to get there on one of these weekends, probably either the 12th or the 19th.

    Man, I'd been going through the five stages and I was so close to accepting that I wasn't going to have the IMAX experience with this Nolan and now I'm planning when I'm going to be there staring up at that giant wall of cinema.

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