Ryan Hall v. Gray Maynard

Those damn teep-ish body kicks frogging hurt man. Ryan's kicking has come a long way
 
Kenny from MD said:
Those damn teep-ish body kicks frogging hurt man. Ryan's kicking has come a long way
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I was VERY impressed with his kicking form. I don't know why the fight is getting so much hate.

I DO wish Hall kept going for the footlock after being kicked in the face instead of complaining to the ref. If he kept both hands engaged Maynard probably wouldn't have gotten untangled.
 
Calibur said:
I was VERY impressed with his kicking form. I don't know why the fight is getting so much hate.

I DO wish Hall kept going for the footlock after being kicked in the face instead of complaining to the ref. If he kept both hands engaged Maynard probably wouldn't have gotten untangled.
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Yeah that was annoying to watch. Finally Hall had Maynard where he wanted him, and what does he do? Lets Maynard stand up because he feels the need to pointlessly bitch to the ref.
 
Calibur said:
I was VERY impressed with his kicking form. I don't know why the fight is getting so much hate.

I DO wish Hall kept going for the footlock after being kicked in the face instead of complaining to the ref. If he kept both hands engaged Maynard probably wouldn't have gotten untangled.
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The fight is getting hate because it sucked. I would have liked to see Hall do the kind of "takedowns" that paul harris used to do, it was like they were close together then he would drop into some type of leg entanglement.

Ryan was trying to roll from 8 feet away and flopping and a wrestling is NOT going to get caught like that.

Also, Grey should have been trying to take him down as that is his game instead of being fucking scared and doing NOTHING the whole fight. So grey did not even try to win that fight.

But yes, boring as fuck fight.
 
Nnedd said:
He made good points in his post fight comments, but the UFC isn't going to keep a guy around he wins decisions based on hook kicks and failed Imanari rolls.

He got it to the ground, but he needs to hold Gray there. I think he's going to have to stop trying to leg entangle all the time, and put a little more energy into simply holding down his opponent.
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IMO a big thing holding Ryan back is his lack of athleticism. I don't believe he has the ability to explosively shoot or to hold an top tier opponent down. He is at a tremendous disadvantage in almost every physical attribute. I believe his gameplan for this fight was the best chance for him to win. He avoided exchanges on the feet that would put him at the disadvantage.

Pixelated Porn said:
lol, wrong on all accounts and lost your cheddar
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Yeah this was a tough night of betting for me. Hall implemented a good gameplan and Gray didn't adjust properly.
 
I'd like to see hall use his kicks and footwork to get his opponents against the cage and then attempt a leg entanglement
 
EndlessCritic said:
in all fairness to maynard, the guys he's lost to are all tough.

however, his performance against fernando bruno was arguably the worst of his career.
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Unfortunately for Gray, the losses weren't just tough, but they were, at times, brutal and took a very physical toll
 
Does Gray have the ability to shoot take Ryan down (while Ryan would at the same time probably already be transitioning into a guard pull)and then disengage and stand up.

Giving how the fight panned out, that might've been the plan. Boring as heck but if it gets the job done
 
Hall kicking game was really impressive. I just dont undestand how he was so afraid of clinching.
 
That was a great fight from a BJJ perspective. Because strikes are allowed, the butt flop is a legit move in MMA. The top dude should follow up with ground and pound, but Gray was scared as hell to get within the grasp of Hall.

Hall played the smart range game; people complain that Hall didn't want to get into boxing, then wrestling range for the takedown, yet it is Gray who didn't want to get into wrestling range for the takedown. Gray is the wrestler, why didn't he try to take him down? Hall destroyed Gray in kicking range. Gray did nothing in kicking range, boxing range, wrestling/takedown range, or grappling range.

Hall fought very smart which is evidenced by the "W" next to his name.
 
Calibur said:
I was VERY impressed with his kicking form. I don't know why the fight is getting so much hate.

I DO wish Hall kept going for the footlock after being kicked in the face instead of complaining to the ref. If he kept both hands engaged Maynard probably wouldn't have gotten untangled.
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That's why some ufc fans are just ignorant compare to the Japanese fans
 
I was rooting for Maynard. But only so Ryan would retire and make DVDs again =\
 
Hall's game may seem unorthodox and novel, but really its a throw back to the sort of attitude a lot of jiu-jitsu fighters had when transitioning to mma.

Which is to say, a pig headed refusal to ever do anything that might resemble working on your takedowns.

A lot of these guys had, and have, a weird complex about wrestling, which results in weird mental blocks in their thinking, which results in weird game plans. Hall simply takes that attitude further to its end in trying to shoehorn it into a practicable strategy, regardless of how disregarding the most direct and expedient options results in inelegant, 'long way around' mish mashing of different other skills to try and paper over the yawning void (all of which would demand more of your limited training time to make effective against top competition).
 
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rmongler said:
Hall's game may seem unorthodox and novel, but really its a throw back to the sort of attitude a lot of jiu-jitsu fighters had when transitioning to mma.

Which is to say, a pig headed refusal to ever do anything that might resemble working on your takedowns.

A lot of these guys had, and have, a weird complex about wrestling, which results in weird mental blocks in their thinking, which results in weird game plans. Hall simply takes that attitude further to its end in trying to shoehorn it into a practicable strategy, regardless of how disregarding the most direct and expedient options results in inelegant, 'long way around' mish mashing of different other skills to try and paper over the yawning void (all of which would demand more of your limited training time to make effective against top competition).
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Hall doesn't have a complex about wrestling, that's silly. He trains wrestling all the time. He's just got limited athletic ability, and a limited athlete is not going to be out-wrestling Gray, 'complex' or not.

The most direct and expedient options are meaningless when your opponent is both physically superior and technically superior at those options. Sure you can try to close the gap in both categories, but at the end of the day an elite wrestler was always going wreck Hall at wrestling. He's not a guy like GSP who can close the gap with elite physical ability.
 
Very smart fight from Ryan's perspective. The kicking was a nice surprise.
Re: dropping into leg entanglements. It seems like some type of kuzushi is imperative into getting a good control position. You either need uke pushing forward (which Gray was definitely not doing) or you need to attack a takedown and then reverse your pressure a la Paul Harris. Either way, I'm excited to see this attack system develop further in the current MMA world.
 
In the end, it was completely Maynard's fault for refusing to follow Hall to the ground. Saul beat Hall up badly because he wasn't afraid of working from the guard. Previous TUF opponents lost because they had too much respect/too much fear for Hall's ground game.
 
rmongler said:
Which is to say, a pig headed refusal to ever do anything that might resemble working on your takedowns.

A lot of these guys had, and have, a weird complex about wrestling, which results in weird mental blocks in their thinking, which results in weird game plans.
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The only one with a complex here is you, jabroni.

 
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