Russia Collusion Megathread v.10: one guilty plea, two indictments, one resignation

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Rockapotomuss said:
Papadolous was a nothing burger looking to make a name for himself, whose efforts had no influence over the campaign at all.
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Must be why his arrest and guilty plea was kept under wraps. The government would certainly be interested in sealing guilty pleas of proactive cooperators, who simply made the coffee.
 
Quipling said:
I suggest you review one of the tens of thousands of trials in which a defendant has been convicted on testimony resulting from such a plea. Juries and judges do not find plea deals to be as credibility destroying as you apparently believe, even though they may occasionally be introduced to impeach a witness.

Incorrect. See http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/r...ne-resignation.3646421/page-36#post-136087823
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Ya maybe if it was the same crime. But if the Drug Squad busts a guy for tax evasion without just passing it on to the IRS and when that's not what they were looking for, and the plea deal comes from that, it not only impeaches the credibility of the witness, but also shows how personally motivated the police were to receive the evidence they believed in before they had, which shows they may have had tunnel vision and missed other reasonable possibilities or suspects.
 
Rockapotomuss said:
It is incredible that none of Paul Manafort's charges have anything to do with his role with the campaign. It is obvious he is being pressured for a testimony deal, which because of Manafort's conflict of interest in giving the testimony they want to hear to gain his own freedom, this means the prosecution is manufacturing evidence.
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Pressuring someone to plead guilty is not "manufacturing evidence," Phoenix Wrong. Nor is that within the meaning of conflict of interest as it is used the vast majority of the time.
 
Rockapotomuss said:
Ya maybe if it was the same crime. But if the Drug Squad busts a guy for tax evasion without just passing it on to the IRS and when that's not what they were looking for, and the plea deal comes from that, it not only impeaches the credibility of the witness, but also shows how personally motivated the police were to receive the evidence they believed in before they had, which shows they may have had tunnel vision and missed other reasonable possibilities or suspects.
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Would you like to try again without using an example that implies that Capone didn't do it? And without conflating the roles of the police and prosector?
 
Quipling said:
Pressuring someone to plead guilty is not "manufacturing evidence," Phoenix Wrong. Nor is that within the meaning of conflict of interest as it is used the vast majority of the time.
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It can be in many cases, if you get someone for conspiracy to commit murder, and tell them to plead guilty to the lesser crime of cultivating marijuana, then he will accept the plea because the sentence is less, regardless of whether or not he was growing marijuana.

If the police are after the mob boss for a suspected massive grow operation. The police suspect the small guy was growing but don't really care if he was or not. They can tie him to being the boss's employee, so they get the plea, and use the fact that the small guy was growing against the boss as a basis to get more search warrants and leads. That's exactly what's happening with Manafort.
 
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Quipling said:
Would you like to try again without using an example that implies that Capone didn't do it? And without conflating the roles of the police and prosector?
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When the police can get around the right to remain silent and compel testimony, as Mueller can, they are also the prosecutor.
 
HOLA said:
Must be why his arrest and guilty plea was kept under wraps. The government would certainly be interested in sealing guilty pleas of proactive cooperators, who simply made the coffee.
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Rockapotomuss said:
Papadolous was a nothing burger looking to make a name for himself, whose efforts had no influence over the campaign at all.
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That's a pretty compelling argument you have there, and it's certainly not completely devoid of facts, or reason.
 
Quipling said:
Pressuring someone to plead guilty is not "manufacturing evidence," Phoenix Wrong. Nor is that within the meaning of conflict of interest as it is used the vast majority of the time.
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And didn't you see Making a Murderer? They clearly didn't care whether Brendan Dassey did it or not. He was just a pawn to get Avery. Paul Manafort is Brendan Dassey.
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HomerThompson said:
That's a pretty compelling argument you have there, and it's certainly not completely devoid of facts, or reason.
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The only facts I saw were Papadolus asking people to meet with Russians and Manafort telling him to please fuck off.
 
HomerThompson said:
That's a pretty compelling argument you have there, and it's certainly not completely devoid of facts, or reason.
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These nothing burgers are pretty high in caloric content. They keep having to eat them they're gonna have an ass bigger than Donald's.
 
Standard FISA warrant taps pick up multiple Trump advisers, Trump Cabinet members and Trump himself colluding with Russians. Trump blames his predecessor for criminally tapping his lines.

The FBI investigation of the Trump collusion grows at a precipitous pace. Trump fires Director of the FBI Jim Comey for how he's conducting the investigation and laughs about it the same day with Russian spies in the Oval Office. Congress investigates how Rice could have unmasked agents of the CIA as opposed to a competent agent doing her job protecting the US from Russian spies.

Robert Mueller takes up the Trump / Russia Collusion investigation in Comey’s stead. Criminal indictments of Trump’s campaign manager, his assistant and one of Trump’s foreign policy advisers follow. The policy adviser pleads guilty and flips on Team Trump. President Trump cries out tweeting: "they look at phony Trump/Russia ... 'collusion,' which doesn't exist. The Dems are using this terrible (and bad for our country) Witch Hunt for evil politics, but the R's ... are now fighting back like never before. There is so much GUILT by Democrats/Clinton, and now the facts are pouring out, DO SOMETHING!"

Trump never explains. He diverts. He misdirects. He blames others. He attacks. And he lies. He lied about the wiretapping, he lied about his contacts with Russia, and he knowingly and falsely accused his predecessor and presidential opponent of the very thing for which he and his administration are being investigated—selling out to the Russians to win the presidency.

How many times do you Trump followers have to dance the same dance before you see that you’re being played for suckers? Horrible factual allegations against Trump, Trump denies allegations, Trump blames any bogeyman of the far right: A Clinton, the media, an Obama….yeah, they are the true enemy….forget the facts or your own eyes, you’re being lied to bc Donald J Trump does not lie. Character counts and nobody has more character than Trump. Mueller? He’s a Clinton puppet! Comey? He’s a Clinton puppet. Obama? He’s a Kenyan Manchurian. The Trump administration is replete with traitors to the USA. From the president on down, these people are enemies of the US constitution. I wish I were joking.
 
DickSarp said:
Standard FISA warrant taps pick up multiple Trump advisers, Trump Cabinet members and Trump himself colluding with Russians. Trump blames his predecessor for criminally tapping his lines.
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Do you have a source for Trump being caught colluding with Russia? I have not heard of this FISA warrant catching trump colluding with Russia. Just googled it and didn’t find anything.
 
Rockapotomuss said:
It is incredible that none of Paul Manafort's charges have anything to do with his role with the campaign. It is obvious he is being pressured for a testimony deal, which because of Manafort's conflict of interest in giving the testimony they want to hear to gain his own freedom, this means the prosecution is manufacturing evidence.
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The great honorable Bob Mueller will kick everyone's buttocks and will be worthy of a statue.
 
This Rockapotumus guy reminds me of that other shit poster that likes to go over each detail 23 times and requires you to read articles to him because that's the only way he will begin to accept your position. These types of people aren't here to be part of the discussion because they have no base to stand on to counter your @Quipling or anyone else's claims.
 
So after the news dropped that Flynn officially flipped, Trump has been crazier than usual this week.

Is it cuz Flynn has the goods for Mueller?
 
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