Really struggling and falling behind in BJJ

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Evenflow80, Jan 11, 2018.

  1. Foppa21

    Foppa21 Brown Belt

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    Depending on frequency of training and how much extras and intangibles, I would think that's about average
     
  2. Foppa21

    Foppa21 Brown Belt

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    As mentioned by others, you might want to look into how you're training. Sometimes do you need to change something up. Are you rolling or fighting every day? In my day to day training, I try to do more flow rolling. Injuries are mounting up and I'm also cognizant of the feeling of balance as opposed to trying to force techniques through. The "fighting" side of rolling only every comes up when competitions are coming up. With training intensity, train as hard as you can so that you can complete the session AND come back the next session.

    Don't worry about how good you were 6 months ago, you were worse than you are today
     
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  3. lechien

    lechien Gold Belt

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    Nope.

    It is typical.

    Edit: I will elaborate.

    So I give one stripe for 6 months of consistent training.

    By the time, they get to 3 stripes, I will start evaluating of they are ready for the blue belts.

    If they are not, then they wait 6 months and then next graduation after 2.5 years I would promote them to blue.

    Now, if they win some competition or even place (like get silver or bronze) in a competition with lot of competitors. I will think that they can no longer compete at white belt and therefore I will promote straight away and will not require them to get the entire 4 stripes and then another 6 months.

    If they do not compete, then they do not have to worry about getting the next belt in a hurry..they can wait 2.5 years like normal.

    if they compete and don't perform well, then there is no need to promote them anyway. they can wait the 2.5 years.

    One time, I did promote a student from white to blue belt and he never won any matches at white belt because I KNEW that he was good and ready but he was just nervous.

    At blue belt competition, he got a silver medal at the Nationals (even though he never won a match at white belt)....I just knew.
     
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  4. knees_n_elbows

    knees_n_elbows Jiu Jitsu Got Me Woke AF

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    There is no "falling behind", its all moving forward and its just about how fast you are doing so. Keep going, be consistent and stop worrying about it so much that it takes away from your enjoyment of what your doing. You are there in the first place because it is a fun thing you enjoy. Dont lose sight of that.
     
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  5. knees_n_elbows

    knees_n_elbows Jiu Jitsu Got Me Woke AF

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    1 1/2 to 2 1/2 is pretty standard for hobbyists.
     
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  6. lechien

    lechien Gold Belt

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    Well, I use the stripes as tool to measure how long they been training with me.

    Literally, I split the class into 2 groups that get assigned a BB instructor each and a topic.

    Quiet often, I will send a white belt 3/4 stripes into the advanced topic If I feel it would be benefitial for him or more like we need another person to pair up for the drill.
     
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  7. Quebec Nick

    Quebec Nick Green Belt

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    The change in the class format sucks hard for you.

    You have very few rolls that way

    I love the technical part but I want my 5 X 6 minutes rounds afterwards. The basic class have only 2 rounds so I do some treadmill before going in. It's martial arts but it's also a workout and you need those workout time to stay in shape. And in BJJ, if you don't roll you don't learn.

    I'm pretty much in the same situation as you, I have good sweeps but I get smashed when I get passed and I can stay on my back for the rest of the round against a good top guy.

    I've been working a lot on guard retention, proper positioning under side control and escapes from side control and mount.

    Mostly every guard retention moves require a lot of combativity and a lot of efforts so if your gas tank is low, it'll be tough for you to get better at it while rolling. In guard retention you need to shrimp, sit, bridge, stiff arm... you can't do that if you're exhausted. You're just gonna lay in your back and hug them instead of fighting for the position.

    I love the X guard and the butterfly guard and there's loads of options that comes up when you manage to ''defend'' a torero pass or an X pass by just sitting up and breaking grips.

    You also need a good place to relax when you're under. I'm working a lot on the knee shield with the cross collar grip to make them work.

    I'm also drilling with other guys my level to just react properly after guard passes, to avoid cross faces and shoulder pressure.
     
  8. freakroor

    freakroor Green Belt

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    Just shut up and train and you will get better. If you want to improve faster then spend more time drilling, sparring, and watching film
     
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  9. andrewm2211

    andrewm2211 Orange Belt

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    Man a somber follow up to "I got my blue belt!" thread you had few weeks ago.

    I going to fourth that you may be over training. I'm a few years younger than you, and I had a lot of free time I trained 5x a week for a month or so , and again when prepping for a tournament, it ended up slowing me down. I just was sore all the time and felt worn down and I just never felt like moving after a few weeks at that pace.

    What works best for me is 3x training three times a week, along with 1 workout at home per week.

    I'm going to be in a similar situation to you pretty soon... I have training partners giving me a pretty hard time right now who aren't getting promoted soon however I am. I don't expect the day I come in with my blue belt to all of a sudden wreck those guys. They'll probably just roll harder with me now.

    Did you get a heads up you were getting promoted? You know who gives you a hard time and who doesn't. Of course that wasn't going to change overnight.
     
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  10. Evenflow80

    Evenflow80 Green Belt

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    Yeah I knew because my professor kept joking about me getting my blue then one day told me make sure i come next weekend
     
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    Pull back a bit
    Breathe
    Stop worrying everything happens at a different pace for different people. One day you’ll just ....get it.
     
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    As a general rule, I think Dan John's advice for breaking plateaus in training is very helpful and can apply to a lot of things; 'Same, But Different'.

    Sometimes you can become 'overadapted' to a certain training method, and stop getting appreciable benefits from it, falling into a rut; in such cases, especially when it is a capacity that is otherwise critical to your sport, what you do is divine other methods that select for that same capacity, but from different directions.

    As an example, the gluteus complex is very important for a discus or hammer thrower, and hip thrusters are a great way to develop glutes, perhaps the very best single way even. But if hip-thrusters are the only thing you're doing besides practicing throws themselves, you're liable to run into a ceiling much quicker; in such cases other exercises that also target the glutes, such as farmers walks, long jumps, sled pulls, pushes, or heavy weight throws, are each and altogether excellent methods of breaking the stiff 'boxes' you can psychosomatically get stuck in.

    Maxing out your strategy in jiu-jitsu is a lot like maxing out your snatch in powerlifting; you're not going to reach your highest peak by just pulling snatches, well planned assistance work will take you even higher.
     
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  13. Dirty Holt

    Dirty Holt Black Belt Professional Fighter

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    This is your problem. No rolling and all technique is not training. Thats called a technique seminar. You are literally doing a technique seminar every day and expecting to not get tired during real training.
     
  14. liuk3

    liuk3 Orange Belt

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    Sounds like you are where you should be. Just keep it up. I would see if I am overtraining. Have fun even if you are getting tapped!
     
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    berimBOWLoh Silver Belt

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    there is no falling behind. thats the beauty.
     
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    Evenflow80 Green Belt

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    I agree but I don't know why our professor gradually started taking up entire hour of class for techniques rather than reserving st least last 15 minutes for rolling. He does have open mats after class but I usually have to go to work , pick up son etc so an hour is all i have.

    In your opinion , and for a relative beginner at my level, how many 5 minute rolls minimum a day should I do if I go 4-5 or even 6 times a week ?
     
  17. TheMood

    TheMood Blue Belt

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    This sounds all normal to me to be honest. You got promoted to blue just now and you have hard times with younger guys that are still white belts. That happens. A new blue belt isn't really far from a white belt with 3/4stripes. This doesn't sound like a crisis. If you are still having fun then keep showing up and train as much as you can.

    Don't worry about comparing yourself to people in your gym. They will learn what you do and ways to counter what you do. Then you need to find something new to do that will work. Then they will learn how to counter that new technique. That will happen forever. That is why we call it the circle of life. It is the way you guys all learn together as a team.
     
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  18. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    At your age? Unless you are already in very good shape training 6 days a week is really too much...
     
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  19. HockeyBjj

    HockeyBjj Putting on the foil

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    Another note that I feel is being overlooked, so not worry yourself with the 2 stripe 20 something. You say he wrestled in college

    That means that while you have a year and a half of grappling experience, he has 12 years, with 4-5 of it at a very high level, and now some months of the specific grappling art you’re engaged in. Plus a decade of youth and athleticism.

    Try and learn even just new ways to survive against him, or tricky ways you can catch someone with a collegiate wrestling background. If you ever had to use your bjj skills in a set defense situation, there’s a better chance that it’s against someone who used to wrestle than someone who does jiu Jitsu

    This is most likely not an opponent on your tier you should measure yourself against. Treat him differently
     
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  20. lechien

    lechien Gold Belt

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    Well that is the freaking problem.

    He is already training 6 days o'er week.

    What do you recommend: train 22 times instead.
     

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