Question for progressives

[HIMBOB]

Nah.

Progress is progress.




Its like asking how far back in time do we have to travel to make conservatives happy?

There is no answer.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

Your question was stupid and didn't understand what's really going on in the world.

It's a philosophical question. The world's current state has nothing to do with the actual question. Your reluctance to answer is odd

 

[JosephDredd]

It's a philosophical question. The world's current state has nothing to do with the actual question. Your reluctance to answer is odd

My reluctance to treat your incorrect assumption as though it is correct is odd to you?

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

Nah.

Progress is progress.



Its like asking how far back in time do we have to travel to make conservatives happy?

There is no answer.

Well conservative doesn't imply no change at all so I'm not sure you have a point.

Progress is progress? What does that mean? Do you agree with EVERY aspect of the progressive movement and will always do so?

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

My reluctance to treat your incorrect assumption as though it is correct is odd to you?

What assumption did i make that was wrong?

 

[JosephDredd]

What assumption did i make that was wrong?

Well, several, but that's because your foundation assumption was wrong. That's the one I emboldened and already explained.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

Well, several, but that's because your foundation assumption was wrong. That's the one I emboldened and already explained.

You're not happy with anything? This doesn't have to be across the board. If you're happy with the way something is and don't want it changed much, then you have a conservative outlook. This can be on a specific topic.

 

[brothir]

Continuously re-evaluate the principles I stand by while studying the arguments that claim I'm wrong in an attempt to converge upon an even better set of principles and positions. Meanwhile, continue to uphold science and reason as the primary drivers of human progress.

 

[Lex Bigelow]

They are not principled. It is kind of like Platonism, but it is a sound concept progressives ignore.

 

[HIMBOB]

Well conservative doesn't imply no change at all so I'm not sure you have a point.

Progress is progress? What does that mean? Do you agree with EVERY aspect of the progressive movement and will always do so?

Progress is basically making things better. Everyone wants progress.

Its now a near meaningless term like conservative which as you said includes people who want progress.

Basically I reject the debate as its framed around drilling down into wide generalisations.

 

[HIMBOB]

Continuously re-evaluate the principles I stand by while studying the arguments that claim I'm wrong in an attempt to converge upon an even better set of principles and positions. Meanwhile, continue to uphold science and reason as the primary drivers of human progress.

Good post but really thats just rational/critical thinking. Shouldn't be so rare.

 

[brothir]

Good post but really thats just rational/critical thinking. Shouldn't be so rare.

Not sure what you're getting at here. Is your meaning that progressivism has no particular claim to critical thinking, and that supporting critical thinking does not imply progressivism?

 

[forum poster]

At some point when enough changes are made you will find yourself happy with the way things are. Others will be yet more progressive and begin to call you regressive for wanting to slow "progress".

One may have a progressive viewpoint currently, but aren't you at odds with yourself eventually? Is this why people become more conservative generally as they get older?

Question: What do you do when you no longer believe in the "progress"?

I've never considered myself a progressive but in US politics I would probably be called a progressive. I and the mainstream left mainly want to progress towards universal health care and sensible policy that attempts to progress on our ability to combat global warming.
We have some moonbats that want to push way further than that towards socialism and communism.
The right has a similar problem, how much of history do you want to conserve? Back to the days when being homosexual was punishable and blacks had no rights? They have to fight the wingnuts on their side of the fence so that they appear sane to the moderate voter.

Both those wingnuts balance themselves out through democracy. Luckily both the extremes are a small minority.

 

[HIMBOB]

Not sure what you're getting at here. Is your meaning that progressivism has no particular claim to critical thinking, and that supporting critical thinking does not imply progressivism?

No particular claim

 

[brothir]

No particular claim

I agree with that. In general, I think that principles exist on their own, and that movements and ideologies can only subscribe to them and not adopt them and thereby own them to the exclusion of others.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Helping others isn't always right.

You didn't really answer the question. Do you stop identifying as progressive when the movement goes past what you are comfortable with? Are you considered regressive at that point?

That depends on if you think staying in place is better than going in a different progressive direction.

For instance, I am still a economic progressive, regardless of the fact that I despise cultural progressives.

Question for you, if the choice is binary, then if you are unhappy with the status quo, does that not make you a progressive?

 

[HIMBOB]

I agree with that. In general, I think that principles exist on their own, and that movements and ideologies can only subscribe to them and not adopt them and thereby own them to the exclusion of others.

Its basically a formula for knowing the truth. Although I will say it is easier to subscribe to than implement.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Most progressives want to make changes to benefit other people instead of themselves. This is the difference between progressives and conservatives enacting social change.

Most progressives want to feel good about themselves, and don't care a whit about other people outside of how their misfortune (imaginary or otherwise) can help make that happen.

 

[Winter-John]

What happens is as you get older you live to see an endless, sickening parade of corrupt politicians and worthless Presidents lining their own pockets while the average guy pays for it. You see a cacophony of brainwashed morons spouting whatever idiotic buzzwords or think pieces are fashionable that week and you realise that it's all bullshit. Instead of reading about who's next in line for their 2 minutes of public hate, you put down the paper, switch off the tv and go about your day trying to be a better person.

 

[splendica]

Most progressives want to make changes to benefit other people instead of themselves. This is the difference between progressives and conservatives enacting social change.