origins of european kickboxing?

[hitman97]

the origins of american and japanese kickboxing are well know, but what about european kickboxing?

is seems it begang latter than in america, and that was influented by american kickboxing, japanese kickboxing and muay thai, is true low kick kickboxing basically was created in europe?

 

[Karaev fan]

is seems it begang latter than in america, and that was influented by american kickboxing, japanese kickboxing and muay thai, is true low kick kickboxing basically was created in europe?

Thai Fighters beat kyokushin Karateka
-> Former Kyokushin fighters create Japanese kickboxing taking MT rulesets
---> Dutch trainers (Thom Harinck, Jan Plas) go to Japan to learn from Kyokushin dojos + add their own twist influenced by boxing and come back to Netherlands to start up kickboxing gyms

 

[Deleted member 363827]

If you talk to trainers at Sidyodthong now or listen to interviews of Kru Yodthong Senanan before he passed away, they say that Rob Kaman, Lucien Carbin and other Dutch fighters have trained at their camp before rising to be top kick boxers and starting the whole kickboxing vs dutch muay thai rivalry.

I remember reading Yodthong's biography that Lucien Carbin set up Sidyodthong muay thai gym in the Netherlands but when you really read sources from the dutch side you never really get an impression that Yodthong's muay thai has any influence on their style.

Simply

 

[SuperLuigi]

This guy seems to be the original transmittor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Bluming

 

[Kanka]

When did the dutch kickboxing become characterised by the "low kick-punch" style?

 

[potemkin723]

I don't know about "European Kickboxing" but "Dutch Kickboxing" has it's roots in Mejiro Gym,

Jan Plas the founder Mejiro Gym, trained under Kenji Kurosaki aka The Father of Kickboxing.

Kurosaki one of the 3 Kyokushin Karate Fighters who competed in Lumpinee in Thailand against Muay Thai Fighters.

Kyokushin Karate beats Muay Thai 2 to 3

But Kurosaki loses by KO.

This is where Kickboxing is born.

 

[hitman97]

outside netherlands it seems american kickboxing influente european kickboxing with the creation of the WAKO on germany and other european orgs.

on netherlands influente basically by japanese kickboxing, who have it's roots on muay thai, karata and western boxing.

 

[BRASCO]

When did the dutch kickboxing become characterised by the "low kick-punch" style?

I think Dutch fighter Rob Kaman was one of the pioneers in the Netherlands using the punch lowkick combination in the 80's and 90's. He trained in Amsterdam at Mejiro Gym (First trainer was Jan Plas and after him Andre Mannaart). This gym was very focused on the punch lowkick combination and counter the punching attacks with lowkicks. Mejiro gym booked a lot of success internationally. Rob Kaman was a role model for a lot of Dutch fighters and Dutch fighters copied his fighting style.

(That's by the way where the blocking with your gloves and forearms come from. Roosmalen, Andy Souwer, Holzken etc...Block punches or kicks with your gloves or forearms and counter with a lowkick. This was very effective in the 80's, 90's and 2000)

Later in the 90's Dutch fighter Ernesto Hoost used a lot of lowkicks and we all know the success of Ernesto Hoost. Hoost introduced internationally the advantage of the lowkick, because of the media and K-1.

In the 90's and in 2000 lot of Dutch gyms were specialized using lowkicks, because kickboxing internationally was very focused on boxing and the lowkicks were underestimate. Dutch fighters took advantage of that. Nowadays a lot Dutch gyms trying to evolve and paying less attention to the lowkicks. They still use it, but the focus is learning new techniques.
A good example is trainer Lucien Carbin, who trained fighters like Andy Ristie and Tyrone Spong and many more champions.
I remember Carbin saying in an interview: "You don't suprise me anymore with the jab lowkick, we have to change, be creative and effective".

 

[manlyseaeagle]

outside netherlands it seems american kickboxing influente european kickboxing with the creation of the WAKO on germany and other european orgs.

on netherlands influente basically by japanese kickboxing, who have it's roots on muay thai, karata and western boxing.

Good call mentioning about WAKO in Europe but would like to know more about Full Contact history in Europe also France has had their own Kickboxing for 200 years called Savate.

 

[AndyMaBobs]

An early thread of mine has pretty much all you need to know:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/kyokushin-influences-in-dutch-kickboxing.2701169/

Plenty of people posted and gave information