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First thing I've ever agreed with you on! If Jordan played in today's NBA with no hand-checking and lack of defense he would put up numbers far greater than he did in his era.
He would do better but they got rid of hand checking because of guys like jordan.
 
MJ > Lebron

Agreed. The thing is I think Lebron could have been better b/c he is bigger and stronger and faster. But MJ had that killer attitude and that insane drive that Lebron doesn't have. I'm not saying Lebron is soft but MJ is on a different level as far as competitivness
 
He would do better but they got rid of hand checking because of guys like jordan.
They got rid of hand-checking to increase offense, they've also added defensive 3-in-the-key, and added flagrant fouls and other rules (8-second violation instead of 10) in an effort to make the game faster paced and more offensively friendly. Jordan for sure used it to his advantage as he was a great defender, but the NBA has made many changes to make the game more fan friendly and today's game is much different than it was in Jordan's era.
 
First thing I've ever agreed with you on! If Jordan played in today's NBA with no hand-checking and lack of defense he would put up numbers far greater than he did in his era.
Nope. The days of ISO 1-on-1 ball that Jordan dominated are long gone. Motion offense is a requirement. The idea that hand checks are more difficult to beat than legal double teams is hilarious. That's why it's so laughable seeing Phil Jackson try to force the triangle on teams in the modern league. it was advanced 20 years ago, but it's 12+ years behind the times now. Any system that doesn't rely on a ton of passing and minimal dribbling (except in the drive and kick aspect) is the same as relying on set shots. The triangle was better than pure ISO ball, but it's slow and motionless by today's standards. Jordan's game would be completely different now. He'd still be the best in the world, but I'd be willing to bet his scoring would be lower, yet he'd have more assists. He would certainly have a lower Usage %.

The idea that defense has disappeared is folly. Anyone who really follows the game knows that the offenses ran in the 90's were the reason for low scoring. Not the 'awesome defense', which was mostly overrated, uncalled hacking. 90's ball, because of illegal defense rules, was get the ball to your best scorer and clear out. If the double team comes ('if' because it was illegal before they got the ball) kick to an open man for a jumper. It was great for individual highlights, but it was terrible basketball.

Allowing zone defense is the best decision the NBA ever made. It forced offenses to evolve, which has led to a much, much more enjoyable game. Defenses have adjusted as well. But the simple fact is that in team basketball, good offense beats good defense.
 
They got rid of hand-checking to increase offense, they've also added defensive 3-in-the-key, and added flagrant fouls and other rules (8-second violation instead of 10) in an effort to make the game faster paced and more offensively friendly. Jordan for sure used it to his advantage as he was a great defender, but the NBA has made many changes to make the game more fan friendly and today's game is much different than it was in Jordan's era.
These factors all increased the pace of the game as well. But forcing offenses to evolve has been, by far, the biggest change.
 
Nope. The days of ISO 1-on-1 ball that Jordan dominated are long gone. Motion offense is a requirement. The idea that hand checks are more difficult to beat than legal double teams is hilarious. That's why it's so laughable seeing Phil Jackson try to force the triangle on teams in the modern league. it was advanced 20 years ago, but it's 12+ years behind the times now. Any system that doesn't rely on a ton of passing and minimal dribbling (except in the drive and kick aspect) is the same as relying on set shots. The triangle was better than pure ISO ball, but it's slow and motionless by today's standards. Jordan's game would be completely different now. He'd still be the best in the world, but I'd be willing to bet his scoring would be lower, yet he'd have more assists. He would certainly have a lower Usage %.

The idea that defense has disappeared is folly. Anyone who really follows the game knows that the offenses ran in the 90's were the reason for low scoring. Not the 'awesome defense', which was mostly overrated, uncalled hacking. 90's ball, because of illegal defense rules, was get the ball to your best scorer and clear out. If the double team comes ('if' because it was illegal before they got the ball) kick to an open man for a jumper. It was great for individual highlights, but it was terrible basketball.

Allowing zone defense is the best decision the NBA ever made. It forced offenses to evolve, which has led to a much, much more enjoyable game. Defenses have adjusted as well. But the simple fact is that in team basketball, good offense beats good defense.
tl/dr.
 
Lebron is the Goat. When did MJ ever beat a 73 win team in the finals?
 
Well obviously. I'm a Jordan hater, but only a fool would argue otherwise. Nobody who truly knows basketball would say Lebron > MJ.
Correct in my opinion anyway, MJ won 3 championships then left basketball and came back and did it again ffs......and never even saw a game 7. He had 1 all star in scottie pippen and the rest of the team were role players( save for rodman and grant as they were never scorers).
 
Nope. The days of ISO 1-on-1 ball that Jordan dominated are long gone. Motion offense is a requirement. The idea that hand checks are more difficult to beat than legal double teams is hilarious. That's why it's so laughable seeing Phil Jackson try to force the triangle on teams in the modern league. it was advanced 20 years ago, but it's 12+ years behind the times now. Any system that doesn't rely on a ton of passing and minimal dribbling (except in the drive and kick aspect) is the same as relying on set shots. The triangle was better than pure ISO ball, but it's slow and motionless by today's standards. Jordan's game would be completely different now. He'd still be the best in the world, but I'd be willing to bet his scoring would be lower, yet he'd have more assists. He would certainly have a lower Usage %.

The idea that defense has disappeared is folly. Anyone who really follows the game knows that the offenses ran in the 90's were the reason for low scoring. Not the 'awesome defense', which was mostly overrated, uncalled hacking. 90's ball, because of illegal defense rules, was get the ball to your best scorer and clear out. If the double team comes ('if' because it was illegal before they got the ball) kick to an open man for a jumper. It was great for individual highlights, but it was terrible basketball.

Allowing zone defense is the best decision the NBA ever made. It forced offenses to evolve, which has led to a much, much more enjoyable game. Defenses have adjusted as well. But the simple fact is that in team basketball, good offense beats good defense.
The point I was trying to make was that the game today is much more sped up, because of a lot of rule changes it is played at a much higher pace. I don't have the time to look up the numbers but I'm guessing team scoring averages are up in today's game in comparison to Jordan's era and I think the faster paced game would lead to higher statistical averages then he had in his day. There are still teams that run a lot of ISO, Harden and Westbrook seem to dominate the ball quite a bit in their offenses.

Edit: After a quick look, in this season all but 1 team is averaging 100+ pts. per game, in 03-04 season there were only 2 teams who averaged over 100pts. per game. The stats didn't go back into the 90's but I'm sure point totals were even lower.
 
Agreed. But the margin between them is getting slimmer.

How? By constantly bouncing between stacked teams and relying on his teammates plus the friendly/rigged to win games?
 
Nope. The days of ISO 1-on-1 ball that Jordan dominated are long gone. Motion offense is a requirement. The idea that hand checks are more difficult to beat than legal double teams is hilarious. That's why it's so laughable seeing Phil Jackson try to force the triangle on teams in the modern league. it was advanced 20 years ago, but it's 12+ years behind the times now. Any system that doesn't rely on a ton of passing and minimal dribbling (except in the drive and kick aspect) is the same as relying on set shots. The triangle was better than pure ISO ball, but it's slow and motionless by today's standards. Jordan's game would be completely different now. He'd still be the best in the world, but I'd be willing to bet his scoring would be lower, yet he'd have more assists. He would certainly have a lower Usage %.

The idea that defense has disappeared is folly. Anyone who really follows the game knows that the offenses ran in the 90's were the reason for low scoring. Not the 'awesome defense', which was mostly overrated, uncalled hacking. 90's ball, because of illegal defense rules, was get the ball to your best scorer and clear out. If the double team comes ('if' because it was illegal before they got the ball) kick to an open man for a jumper. It was great for individual highlights, but it was terrible basketball.

Allowing zone defense is the best decision the NBA ever made. It forced offenses to evolve, which has led to a much, much more enjoyable game. Defenses have adjusted as well. But the simple fact is that in team basketball, good offense beats good defense.
This guy gets it
 
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