LA buys expensive voting system from Venezuelan company

When Venezuela's voting system is more modernized than Los Angeles county..

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Our voting infrastructure around the country is fucking archaic. It will cost a lot to improve, be met with skepticism at every corner if it is secure enough and easy enough to use, so we just keep the shit we have for years and dust it off each time
 
Does it really matter what country the voting machines come from? Sure Venezuela is fucked, but that doesn't automatically mean the voting machine suck. If the tech is good than whatever, it's just right wingers being snowflakes.

I would have to agree.
 
Venezuela needs the money that's for sure.
 
Maybe if Trumptards verified facts before posting.

https://www.smartmatic.com/about/

Did you know?

We spend more on election technology research and development than all of our competitors combined.

We conducted the world's first government election using blockchain technology - 2016 Utah Republican Caucus (USA).


We conducted the first national elections using voting machines that print paper trails, allowing voters to verify their vote has been properly recorded, and allowing electoral commissions to hold audits.

We completed the world's fastest biometric voter registration – 5.2 million people in less than 75 days.

We provided technology and services for the world's largest automated election – 50 million voters using 92,000 optical scanners.

We also conducted the world's first national election where every phase was automated, including authentication using voter biometrics.

 
Venezuela needs the money that's for sure.

No, international company of worth is based on Venezuela, every damn company worth anything either moved abroad or simply went under.

Smartmatic doesnt has anything to do with Maduro's regime, in fact i think they did called out that the "results" announced by the Venezuelan government in its illegal 2017 elections were not what actually happened at the ballots.
 
No, international company of worth is based on Venezuela, every damn company worth anything either moved abroad or simply went under.

Smartmatic doesnt has anything to do with Maduro's regime, in fact i think they did called out that the "results" announced by the Venezuelan government in its illegal 2017 elections were not what actually happened at the ballots.
I'm not sure what any of that meant, but Venezuela sucks.
 
I'm not sure what any of that meant, but Venezuela sucks.

It means that the topic is shit and incredibly prejudiced.

It basically equates being born in Venezuela with supporting Maduro's regime.
 
It means that the topic is shit and incredibly prejudiced.

It basically equates being born in Venezuela with supporting Maduro's regime.
I feel bad for a lot of Venezuelans and would assume many do not support Maduro in any capacity.
 
Whats wrong with buying services from the UK?

The company was made by Venezuelans, that doesnt means the regime.

Proof?
Proof? From me at my home computer console? Are you so naive that you don't understand this is precisely the reason shell companies are set up? They build paper walls that accountants struggle to unravel even with full access to financial records.

SGO Corporation
In 2014, Mugica together with British Lord Mark Malloch-Brown announced the launching of the SGO Corporation Limited,[12][13] a holding company headquartered in London whose primary asset is the election technology and voting machine manufacturer Smartmatic.


Lord Malloch-Brown became chairman of the board of directors of SGO since its foundation,[14] while Mugica remained as CEO of the new venture. They were joined on SGO’s board by Sir Nigel Knowles, Global CEO of DLA Piper, entrepreneur David Giampaolo and Roger Piñate, Smartmatic’s COO.


The aim of SGO, according to Mugica is "to continue to make investments in its core business (election technology), but it is also set to roll out a series of new ventures based on biometrics, online identity verification, internet voting and citizen participation, e-governance and pollution control.”[15]


So a former British politician and some wealthy UK investors were like, "Huh, having increasing trouble doing business abroad, lately? Hey, we'll set up a 'holding company' with UK HQ. The only real asset of this holding company will be your company. It will dilute the perception of your company as Venezuelan even though all of your management and employees are Venezuelan. We'll handle your administrative duties from this remote shell in exchange for a cut." Suddenly they're like a contemporary central investment bank. It's possible that from 2000-2014 Chavez and Maduro didn't successfully dig their fingers into this corporation, like so many others, but it's conspicuous to any American who notices a Venezuelan corporation with this superficial behavior.

Furthermore, despite official .gov language, many of us aren't keen to pump a dime into the Venezuelan economy while it blames us for all its problems and insists that we're evil. Yao Ming used to send half his NBA paycheck home to China. As I already said I have no desire to direct a single American tax dollar into that ecosystem, and this company is Venezuelan from the top-down. That just props up Maduro longer. It's why we kicked Valero out. Nobody cares about a deal Utah made for the 2016 election that was probably initiated in 2013 or 2014 (as the timeline for this rollout would suggest). Meaningless. Venezuela's meltdown didn't kick off until around May 2016. Valeros were still around the USA in 2014. Venezuela was stable.

Nonetheless, this consideration allows for the alternative explanation, the optimistic one, that these Venezuelan businessmen are the capitalists who are brutally oppressed by communist tax schemes, and sought to escape these taxes by marrying into the UK holding company. Same deal as before with the Brits. They take a cut. Only this time they do it by relieving the Venezuelans of their home country's tax burdens. Prompted by your whining I followed up on your terse, off-handed remark that Smartmatic criticized the 2017 elections-- I thought, "Why doesn't he post a link"? Didn't take long to figure out why:
Venezuelans lead UK firm that disputes Venezuela election
LONDON (AP) — The allegation of electoral fraud in Venezuela was brought by an electronic voting company headquartered in England that counts the Latin American country as one of its oldest clients and promotes its technology as a way to ensure legitimate elections.

Smartmatic, whose chairman is a former deputy secretary-general of the United Nations and a current member of Britain’s House of Lords, has provided election services to Venezuela since 2004, but never questioned the results of an election there until Wednesday.

“Even in moments of deep political conflict and division, we have been satisfied that the voting process and the count has been completely accurate,” CEO Antonio Mugica told reporters while announcing the company had determined the turnout figures for Sunday’s election for a constitutional assembly in Venezuela were tampered with.

Tibisay Lucena, the head of Venezuela’s National Electoral Council, denied Smartmatic’s allegation of vote-tampering. He said the company played only a secondary role in the election and did not have access to complete data.

Smartmatic was created by Venezuelans to provide electronic voting machines used during the administration of the late President Hugo Chavez. It has branched out in recent years to provide the same services to countries around the world. Mugica and President Roger Pinate are both Venezuelans.

The company is part of SGO Group, headquartered in London, which describes itself as “a family of ventures” that is also working on technology to address issues such as identity verification, air pollution and government efficiency. SGO reported a profit of $10.3 million on revenues of $129.2 million in 2015, the latest figures on file at Britain’s Companies House.

Smartmatic, which says it has counted 3.7 billion votes on five continents, has a core mission to stop voter fraud. Its clients range from Belgium and Estonia to Armenia, the Philippines and Haiti.

“Legitimate elections are essential to any modern democracy,” the company says on its website.

Mugica said there was a discrepancy of “at least 1 million votes” between the turnout figure announced by the Venezuelan government and those recorded by Smartmatic’s systems. He didn’t specify whether Smartmatic’s turnout figures were 1 million higher or lower than the more than 8 million votes announced by the government.

While the company’s systems can identify possible manipulation, people are needed to watch for evidence of electoral fraud, Mugica said. In previous Venezuelan elections, representatives from all political parties audited the vote count. On Sunday, no representatives of the parties were present, he said.

“Based on the robustness of our system, we know without any doubt that the turnout of a recent election for a National Constituent Assembly was manipulated,” Mugica said.

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro called the July 30 vote after weeks of protests fed by anger over food shortages, triple-digit inflation and high crime. The newly elected assembly will have nearly unlimited powers to install an even more staunchly socialist state.

Tensions have escalated in the troubled Latin American country since government-allied election authorities announced their vote total. Opposition figures, who called for a boycott of the election, disputed the turnout figure, saying they estimated that 2 million to 3 million people cast ballots.

Mugica said Smartmatic announced its findings before informing the government.

“The authorities would not be sympathetic” to the company’s announcement, he said.

Smartmatic Chairman Mark Malloch-Brown is a former deputy secretary general of the United Nations and a former vice president of the World Bank. Malloch-Brown is currently a member of Britain’s House of Lords and a member of the global board of George Soros’ Open Society Foundation.


Andrés Mejía Acosta, an expert on Venezuela in the Department of International Development at King’s College London, said the discrepancy aired publicly suggests divisions within the government. The fact that Mugica chose to speak in London suggests the real point was to inform the outside world, rather than Venezuelans.

“The basic issue is one of legitimacy,” he said. “My interpretation is that there is an internal settling of accounts from competing groups, two different factions contesting power within the group. They are starting to speak out. By doing this, they undermine (Maduro’s) legitimacy to the outside world.”
LOL, oh no:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Malloch_Brown,_Baron_Malloch-Brown

They clearly have a checkered past. I don't for one second believe that Chavez's second referendum vote was legitimate, and this company legitimized it. Furthermore, the passage highlighted in orange strongly suggests that even intellectuals who are experts on Venezuelan politics believe this company projects a public face of the interior Venezuelan government, and that whereas before this CEO and Smartmatic towed the line, now they're speaking out and projecting internal divisions. Why would that be? If the regime bears no direct influence on this company, as you so confidently asserted, this professor's comments make no sense.

Very promising, but that's a shitload of baggage to bring on board in 2018, and thanks for prompting me to dig deeper to substantiate my gut estimate. This company is spearheaded by a former British Labour party MP and UN secretary who currently serves on Soros's Open Society Foundation. It's almost like you keep seeing the same names over and over surrounding the winners of these bloated American government contracts. Swampy shit.
 
Proof? From me at my home computer console? Are you so naive that you don't understand this is precisely the reason shell companies are set up? They build paper walls that accountants struggle to unravel even with full access to financial records.

SGO Corporation
In 2014, Mugica together with British Lord Mark Malloch-Brown announced the launching of the SGO Corporation Limited,[12][13] a holding company headquartered in London whose primary asset is the election technology and voting machine manufacturer Smartmatic.


Lord Malloch-Brown became chairman of the board of directors of SGO since its foundation,[14] while Mugica remained as CEO of the new venture. They were joined on SGO’s board by Sir Nigel Knowles, Global CEO of DLA Piper, entrepreneur David Giampaolo and Roger Piñate, Smartmatic’s COO.


The aim of SGO, according to Mugica is "to continue to make investments in its core business (election technology), but it is also set to roll out a series of new ventures based on biometrics, online identity verification, internet voting and citizen participation, e-governance and pollution control.”[15]


So a former British politician and some wealthy UK investors were like, "Huh, having increasing trouble doing business abroad, lately? Hey, we'll set up a 'holding company' with UK HQ. The only real asset of this holding company will be your company. It will dilute the perception of your company as Venezuelan even though all of your management and employees are Venezuelan. We'll handle your administrative duties from this remote shell in exchange for a cut." Suddenly they're like a contemporary central investment bank. It's possible that from 2000-2014 Chavez and Maduro didn't successfully dig their fingers into this corporation, like so many others, but it's conspicuous to any American who notices a Venezuelan corporation with this superficial behavior.

Furthermore, despite official .gov language, many of us aren't keen to pump a dime into the Venezuelan economy while it blames us for all its problems and insists that we're evil. Yao Ming used to send half his NBA paycheck home to China. As I already said I have no desire to direct a single American tax dollar into that ecosystem, and this company is Venezuelan from the top-down. That just props up Maduro longer. It's why we kicked Valero out. Nobody cares about a deal Utah made for the 2016 election that was probably initiated in 2013 or 2014 (as the timeline for this rollout would suggest). Meaningless. Venezuela's meltdown didn't kick off until around May 2016. Valeros were still around the USA in 2014. Venezuela was stable.

Nonetheless, this consideration allows for the alternative explanation, the optimistic one, that these Venezuelan businessmen are the capitalists who are brutally oppressed by communist tax schemes, and sought to escape these taxes by marrying into the UK holding company. Same deal as before with the Brits. They take a cut. Only this time they do it by relieving the Venezuelans of their home country's tax burdens. Prompted by your whining I followed up on your terse, off-handed remark that Smartmatic criticized the 2017 elections-- I thought, "Why doesn't he post a link"? Didn't take long to figure out why:
Venezuelans lead UK firm that disputes Venezuela election

LOL, oh no:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Malloch_Brown,_Baron_Malloch-Brown

They clearly have a checkered past. I don't for one second believe that Chavez's second referendum vote was legitimate, and this company legitimized it. Furthermore, the passage highlighted in orange strongly suggests that even intellectuals who are experts on Venezuelan politics believe this company projects a public face of the interior Venezuelan government, and that whereas before this CEO and Smartmatic towed the line, now they're speaking out and projecting internal divisions. Why would that be? If the regime bears no direct influence on this company, as you so confidently asserted, this professor's comments make no sense.

Very promising, but that's a shitload of baggage to bring on board in 2018, and thanks for prompting me to dig deeper to substantiate my gut estimate. This company is spearheaded by a former British Labour party MP and UN secretary who currently serves on Soros's Open Society Foundation. It's almost like you keep seeing the same names over and over surrounding the winners of these bloated American government contracts. Swampy shit.

So basically zero evidence and a shitload of mudslinging?

1.- The reason why its based on the UK, without the obvious fact that a lot of its customers are international governments with a presence in the UK is simple. For a long fucking time the Venezuelan government has frozen free capital flows, you cant pay taxes, even if you fucking wanted it.

2.- Venezuela hasnt been stable for a shitload of time, 2014 just made it international news because of how fucked up things became.

3.- This company counts votes, simple as that, for the most part Venezuelan elections were "legit" at the ballot, thats why in the last legitimate election the Venezuelan government lost massively.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_parliamentary_election,_2015

4.- Seriously you are bringing the whole "Soros boogeyman" now? So you went from being one of Trump's harshest critics to peddling CTs?

5.- Way to ignore that the company is a world leader in voting technology and has a large presence all over the world. Im sure its part of the Soros globalist conspiracy.
 
So basically zero evidence and a shitload of mudslinging?

1.- The reason why its based on the UK, without the obvious fact that a lot of its customers are international governments with a presence in the UK is simple. For a long fucking time the Venezuelan government has frozen free capital flows, you cant pay taxes, even if you fucking wanted it.

2.- Venezuela hasnt been stable for a shitload of time, 2014 just made it international news because of how fucked up things became.

3.- This company counts votes, simple as that, for the most part Venezuelan elections were "legit" at the ballot, thats why in the last legitimate election the Venezuelan government lost massively.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_parliamentary_election,_2015

4.- Seriously you are bringing the whole "Soros boogeyman" now? So you went from being one of Trump's harshest critics to peddling CTs?

5.- Way to ignore that the company is a world leader in voting technology and has a large presence all over the world. Im sure its part of the Soros globalist conspiracy.
#1 is precisely the seat of a voiced concern, #2 is hilarious because you don't even pretend to rebut the claim while instead quibbling over a semantic, #3 isn't the election I referenced, and #4/#5 entailed no conspiracy theories-- only a cynical observation of correlation.

Soros is closely linked to Hillary Clinton, and other powerful Democrats (also some Republicans). This company bridges out to a lifelong liberal English politician, an international diplomat, who certainly has relationships to all sorts of powerful careerist Western politicians, including Americans, and who also has direct ties to Soros and his foundation, which is a highly active charitable foundation networking in American political circles, and suddenly they're winning government contracts in the USA. If this is a "CT" it's also a CT to observe that Halliburton, for example, has enjoyed preferential treatment when it comes to US government reconstruction contracts, specifically during the Bush era, when it just so happens that Vice President Dick Cheney was once an executive for that company.

SOE (owned by Scytl) is actually the leading American election technology outfit, and unlike Smartmatic, who is founded in Florida, they have been officially certified by the Florida Department of State to conduct voting collection. Why didn't they get the contract? This "Smartmatic" is a cutthroat business with shady accounting. They were founded in Caracas, incorporated in Delaware (to avoid US corporate sales tax), and headquartered in Florida. This is why you're insufferable:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartmatic
Wikipedia said:
Founding
In 1997,[8] three Venezuelan engineers, Antonio Mugica, Alfredo José Anzola and Roger Piñate, began collaborating in a group – which would later become Smartmatic – meeting in a "tiny office" in Caracas, Venezuela while working at Panagroup Corp.[9][10][11][12][13] Mugica, who was director of the Panagroup Corp.,[14] led the group to use "the research and development department of Panagroup Corp." in Venezuela,[10] with the trio eventually creating a system where thousands of inputs could be placed into a network simultaneously.[13] On November 12, 1997, Mugica and his father founded Software Softer, C.A. in Caracas, Venezuela.[15]

Following the 2000 United States presidential election, the group proposed to dedicate the system toward electoral functions.[13] After receiving funds "from private investors"[11] which included Jorge Massa Dustou,[16] one of the richest individuals in Venezuela,[17] the company then began to expand rapidly. Smartmatic was officially incorporated on 11 April 2000 in Delaware by Alfredo José Anzola,[18][19][20] with Anzola later incorporating Bizta Corporation the following day on 12 April 2000.[21][22] Smartmatic then established its headquarters in Boca Raton, Florida with only seven employees.[11][12] On 22 June 2001, Mugica's company in Venezuela, Software Softer, C.A., was renamed Bizta R&D Software, C.A.,[23][24] with the company later dividing its shares and splitting the ownership between Antonio Mugica R., Antonio Mugica S., Eduardo Correia and Alfredo Anzola.[25]

First election
In 2003, Bizta was losing money with "barely a sales deal to its name".[26][27][28][29] It was at this time that Bizta was awarded a $150,000 "loan" from Marieta Maarroui de Bolívar – wife of the then-Chavista governor Didalco Bolívar – who was president of FONCREI, the Venezuelan government's organization dedicated to industrial funding.[26][30] Smartmatic also received an additional $200,000 loan from the Chávez government.[31] Smartmatic later responded to the bid process initiated by the CNE for the 2004 Venezuela recall, forming the SBC Consortium in the third quarter of 2003, prior to bidding. The SBC Consortium comprised Smartmatic, Bizta, and Venezuela's state-run telecommunications organization CANTV.[11][13] The SBC Consortium deal was notarized by then-Vice President José Vicente Rangel's daughter Gisela Rangel de D'Armas in Caracas.[14][31] The deal with Bizta required the Venezuelan government to own 28% of Smartmatic and placed Venezuela's Head of the Council of Ministers and advisor to Hugo Chávez,[32] Omar Montilla, on Smartmatic's board of directors.[28] Montilla was also appointed director of Bizta on 15 December 2003.[33]

After it was reported that the Venezuelan government had been involved with funding and managing Mugica's Bizta for over two years, Smartmatic quickly repaid Bizta's "loan" a month before the election.[29] A Venezuelan government propaganda organization, the Venezuela Information Office, also released a "fact sheet" about Smartmatic, defending the company from allegations at the time.[5]


By the time Smartmatic made its first large deal with the Venezuelan government in 2004, the majority of employees worked in its Venezuela offices shared with Bizta, with 70 in Caracas while only 7 worked between Boca Raton, Florida and Sunnyvale, California.[34] During the election, Smartmatic operated the voting machines, Bizta sent manual votes in remote areas to software centers and CANTV provided logistical assistance.[29]

Expansion
Following the 2004 Venezuelan recall election, Smartmatic rapidly expanded with the funds provided by the Venezuelan government. Bizta, Mugica's other start-up that was affiliated with the Venezuelan government, was then merged into Smartmatic.[11][13][26] Following Smartmatic's purchase of Sequoia Voting Systems in 2005 from the British firm De La Rue, a Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States investigation was initiated over Smartmatic's links to the Venezuelan government. Smartmatic later sold Sequoia in 2006, though "Smartmatic scrapped a simple corporate structure" of being based in Boca Raton "for a far more complex arrangement" of being located in multiple locations, raising more speculation.[35]

Smartmatic's headquarters moved to London in 2012,[3] while it also has offices and R&D labs in the United States, Brazil, Venezuela, Barbados, Panama, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, the United Arab Emirates, the Philippines, Estonia, and Taiwan. Though Smartmatic has made differing claims that they were either American or Dutch based, the United States Department of State states that its Venezuelan owners "remain hidden behind a web of holding companies in the Netherlands and Barbados".[13][3] The New York Times states that "the role of the young Venezuelan engineers who founded Smartmatic" is not transparent and that its organization is "an elaborate web of offshore companies and foreign trusts",[36] while BBC News states that though Smartmatic says the company was founded in the United States, "its roots are firmly anchored in (Venezuela)".[3] Multiple sources simply state that Smartmatic is a Venezuelan company.[7] Smartmatic maintains that the holding companies in multiple countries are used for "tax efficiency".[37]
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From the guy who quoted the company's own website to substantiate their integrity, but couldn't be bothered to skim the Wiki.
Maybe if Trumptards verified facts before posting.

https://www.smartmatic.com/about/
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We could do the thing where I bitch slap @Rod1 around for another 2-3 pages, like this, but I'd rather remind those still reading that voting via hand-cast paper ballots has NEVER demonstrated any meaningful level of voter fraud. Go look:
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?state=VA
\The people in my country who have pushed this the hardest are Republicans who were disingenuously feigning concern about voter fraud when it was really a strategy to suppress likely Democratic voters.

Computer science professors warn that internet elections are seriously vulnerable to bugs and foreign attack. From September 2016
MIT Technology Review: The Internet Is No Place for Elections
MIT said:
This election year we’ve seen foreign hackers infiltrate the Democratic National Committee’s e-mail system as well as voter databases in Arizona and Illinois. These attacks have reinforced what political scientists and technical experts alike have been saying for more than a decade: public elections should stay offline. It’s not yet feasible to build a secure and truly democratic Internet-connected voting system.

Researchers from government agencies and leading academic institutions studied the issue extensively following the debacle of the 2000 presidential race, and the consensus emerged that it should not occur. That’s still the case, and today’s rampant cybercrime should be reason enough to keep voting systems disconnected. We have no good defense against malware on voters’ computers or denial of service attacks, and sophisticated adversaries like those behind the attacks on big corporations we’ve seen in recent years will find ways to get into connected voting systems, says Ron Rivest, a leading cryptographer and MIT professor. “It’s a war zone out there,” he says.
From December 2017:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rebecc...revolutionize-voting-technology/#7965139212c1
Forbes said:
Still, computer science professors warn that internet elections are seriously vulnerable to bugs and foreign attack.

"The problems are growing in complexity faster than the methods to keep up with them. From that perspective, looking at a system that relies on the perfectibility of computers is a really bad idea," says Stanford computer science professor David Dill, who founded the Verified Voting Foundation. Beyond attack, voting online challenges traditional staples of the electoral process. Online, preventing voter fraud, guaranteeing anonymity and ensuring vote verifiability become considerably more difficult.
These are the opinions of computer science communities at the two most prestigious computer science schools in the world, from 2016 and 2017, but hey, what do they know about it.

Why are we wasting taxpayer dollars on this horseshit?
 
Ouch...

It's like watching Rousimar Palhares holding a kneebar well after the match is over @Madmick .
 
#1 is precisely the seat of a voiced concern, #2 is hilarious because you don't even pretend to rebut the claim while instead quibbling over a semantic, #3 isn't the election I referenced, and #4/#5 entailed no conspiracy theories-- only a cynical observation of correlation.

1.- Werent you bitching in another thread about how the EU was cracking on American companies that avoid taxes in the EU as some sort of robbery? yeah kind of ironic that you are now deeply concerned about people not paying taxes to the government of Venezuela.

2.- You do realize Chavez lost the 2007 referendum right? also there is no evidence of ballot tampering in Venezuelan elections thats why Maduro lost badly in 2015 despite basically forcing people to vote for him in exchange for food. The Asamblea Constituyente election fraud was merely the Venezuelan electoral authority making up the numbers, there was no evidence of ballot tampering. You can have the most fail-safe electoral mechanism in the world, in the end its the electoral authority who decides who wins.

Smartmatic came forward to protect its reputation by simply stating that the turnout was less than Maduro said.

3.- The election you referenced was also lost by Chavez.

4.- 5.- Sure no conspiracy theories, you simply tagged Soros name to a guy and then spiked the football, and considering your original statement was that these guys were working with communists and that LA was helping its comrades abroad thats pretty much a conspiracy theory.

These are the opinions of computer science communities at the two most prestigious computer science schools in the world, from 2016 and 2017, but hey, what do they know about it.

See now thats a valid discussion point, whether electronic systems are vulnerable to hackers.

But thats not what you opened up with, you opened up with communist conspiracies.
 
Foreign influence ? Like Russia but worse ?
 
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