someone posted a thread about the downfall of ronda and it got me thinking about the differences between judo and wrestling takedowns\throws. i think judo really excels when you have someone trying to push forward into the clinch to dirty box or wrestle, but falls apart a bit when you have someone the is purely focused on denying the clinch and staying on the outside to strike. all it takes is a couple of knees and then push away, because upper body throws take a bit more to set up than leg takedowns. the advantage judo throws have if performed correctly, is they take less energy and have great impact. i think it has a bit to do with judo being a more defensive art by nature.