Jones vs Fedor opposition

[Money509]

Here is a combined record of jones and fedors opponents in their first 23 fights

Jones 336-140

Fedor 243 160

Jones gets the clear edge in competition undeniable facts. Heres some more interesting stats.

Opponents with losing records

Jones 4

Fedor 10


Title fights

Jones 10

Fedor 3

So basically jones is GOAT and better than fedor. Numbers dont lie.

 

[phunky]

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[Noraaq]

Jones beat a lot of guys that werent at their best whereas Fedor beat the bulk of his opponents at the prime of their careers.

 

[Money509]

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I know. The facts can hurt fedor fans. Its best you just dont look at this thread.

 

[Tamriel Terror]

Lets see:

-fedor was a small hw (didn't cut weight to fight smaller fighters like jones) and still beat the best available (Sylvia, Pitbull, Nog 2x, coleman 2x, Cro cop, etc.)

-fedor didn't fail a drug test and fought roided to the gills fighters in their prime in pride

Going undefeated for 10 years in a division with the highest ko power + a ton of ton 10 wins=GOAT.

 

[cobrinski]

No,mother Russia

 

[synyster]

Steroid cheats can not be GOATS... Congrats for be able to cherry pick barely relevant statistics

 

[Money509]

You forgot number of drug test failures and the fact fedor fought larger opponents.

Lmao fedor hating threads are always the worst.

Not a hate thread. Just nothing but facts.

 

[Money509]

Steroid cheats can not be GOATS... Congrats for be able to cherry pick barely relevant statistics

How is opposition not relevant? Isnt that what measures a true GOAT?

 

[synyster]

Not a hate thread. Just nothing but facts.

thats why he stated the fact the Fedor has never been popped for PED's and Jon has

 

[Claude]

It's a shame combined records are irrelevant since the better fighters do not always have the better records. They mean even less when you don't consider their records at the time of their fight, which I'm sure is the case here. Anyway, here's how flawed record numbers are to define quality:

Brett Roger's record at the time he fought Fedor > Crocop's
Ryan Bader's record at the time he fought Jones > Machida's

etc.

See how flawed it is? Title defenses are an even worse indicator since in Pride the belt wasn't on the line eveytime the champion fought.

Now let's move on to the actual relevant numbers:

Fedor's win streak > Jones'
Fedor's top wins > Jones'
Fedor's time unbeaten > Jones'
Rounds won in a row: Fedor > Jones'
Finishes: Fedor > Jones
Finishes in the 1st round: Fedor > Jones

Jones does have the edge in some cases:

Damage taken during their prime: Jones > Fedor

Number of failed drug tests: Jones > Fedor
Hiding under a cage: Jones > Fedor
Having suspect T levels: Jones > Fedor
Cheating inside the ring: Jones > Fedor

Plus most of Jones' opponents were past prime or mid/low tier fighters:

Bonnar: Low tier
Machida: 1-3 in his last 4. Earned his shot by retiring old Couture. Past prime.
Shogun: Coming off a second knee reconstruction and layoff. Past prime.
Bader: Mid tier
Vera: Low tier
Rampage: Past prime
Evans: Good win
Matyushenko: Low tier
Hamil: Low tier. Lost by DQ
Belfort: Mid tier LHW at best. Lost 4/5 fights at LHW in Pride/UFC before Jones.
Teixeira: Decent win. Only had top wins over mid tier Ryan Bader and a past prime Rampage.
Gustafsson: Got his ass kicked. Close and controversial decision
Cormier: Good win
St. Preux: Ovince had 0 top wins. Lackluster performance by Jones, again against a guy he didn't dwarf.

Beating Nog x2 and Crocop alone > Anything Jones has ever done and will do competitio wise.

So yeah Fedor > Jones. Fact.

 

[tenniswhiz]

Jones beat a lot of guys that werent at their best whereas Fedor beat the bulk of his opponents at the prime of their careers.

And they were HW

 

[synyster]

How is opposition not relevant? Isnt that what measures a true GOAT?

opposition quality is defined by a lot more then win/loss ratio Mark Hunt's record is horrible on paper but that is a massive win for anyone, you are cherry picking odd statistic to suit your narrative. 3 out of 100's of comparable statistics does not end any arguments for or against.. Being a proven cheater does though

 

[Money509]

opposition quality is defined by a lot more then win/loss Mark Hunt's record is horrible on paper but that is a massive win for anyone, you are cherry picking odd statistic to suit your narrative. 3 out of 100's of comparable statistics does not end any arguments for or against.. Being a proven cheater does though

Yet if fedor had the edge in the stats you would be praising it lol.

 

[synyster]

Yet if fedor had the edge in the stats you would be praising it lol. Numbers dont lie brah, jones fought better guys. Look at the win difference its almost 100.

He does have the edge in a lot of statistics, but I am aware Jon also does its a stupid game to play so no I wouldnt

 

[StraightleftKO]

Yawn

 

[B0mbSquad]

Fedor is the GOAT in terms of accomplishment, but extrapolate his prime to right now and he'd lose to top HWs.

 

[bigconan]

Here is a combined record of jones and fedors opponents in their first 23 fights

Jones 336-140

Fedor 243 160

Jones gets the clear edge in competition undeniable facts. Heres some more interesting stats.

Opponents with losing records

Jones 4

Fedor 10


Title fights

Jones 10

Fedor 3

So basically jones is GOAT and better than fedor. Numbers dont lie.

Beating a prime cro cop and a prime nog, beats anything jones has ever done...

 

[MMAGamblero]

Here is a combined record of jones and fedors opponents in their first 23 fights

Jones 336-140

Fedor 243 160

Jones gets the clear edge in competition undeniable facts. Heres some more interesting stats.

Opponents with losing records

Jones 4

Fedor 10


Title fights

Jones 10

Fedor 3

So basically jones is GOAT and better than fedor. Numbers dont lie.

Fedor fans HATE FACTS and STATS!!!!! They will find a way to disapprove these cemented facts and stats. Buckle up TS!

 

[MMAGamblero]

Lets see:

-fedor was a small hw (didn't cut weight to fight smaller fighters like jones) and still beat the best available (Sylvia, Pitbull, Nog 2x, coleman 2x, Cro cop, etc.)

-fedor didn't fail a drug test and fought roided to the gills fighters in their prime in pride

Going undefeated for 10 years in a division with the highest ko power + a ton of ton 10 wins=GOAT.

I will correct your post. Go through the actually weights and you will find out that Fedor was heavier in more than half of his fights. That "small hw" myth has been debunked already on sherdog.

Fedor was not tested. Pride encouraged steroid usage and fixed fights. Every Pride victory should have an asterisk next to it for these reasons.

Undefedated for 10 years fighting low level HWs with some decent comp sprinkled in there.