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If I can't roll pretty close to 100% health I normally won't train until I can.
Has anyone actually talked to the coach or is this just assumed? Seems crazy to expect a dude with a job a couple of kids to hit 4 times a week every week. For example, soccer season hits.......
I tell my coach: "I will be out on Saturdays for the next 8 weeks. I may make a class or two but Jack has Spring soccer season and games are sat morning"
Coach responds: "hope Jack (my youngest son) has a good season. Family is important. Go to his games we will be here on saturdays when the season ends. Will you be here weekdays?"
Me: "Yep same as always. See you monday and wednesday"
Coaches are people. Most reasonable people expect life to happen. Explaining that you are not just eating pasta and watching Netflix makes a difference.
This is the truth. Heck I'm only 39 but my style has changed a lot in the last few months. I don't really strain anymore (no "lifting weights" while rolling - outputting a lot of muscular effort for prolonged periods); this keeps me from getting so tired too, which is a really big benefit for me, and makes me enjoy training more - I'm going to BJJ after a long day of work or while recuperating on the weekend and don't always feel like training until I can barely breath. Interestingly I found this greatly increased how the rolls go against inexperienced young/athletic dudes (who I can't really sustain maximum effort with - so not playing that game actually seems advantageous) - having them wildly buck around doesn't matter if I'm not trying to match it with my own strength but am just chilling and looking for the next move from top side control or mount.Wise words Bill.
Our jiu jitsu needs to change as we age. It's just natural for things to be that way.
You can spar "Dutch" style. Going only to the body and avoiding the head. Good for older age.also you can strike into your 50's, even sparring; just have to find a group or a place where your not gonna be compromised. a couple places i go where they have hobbyist or former competitors who still gear up and get rounds in
Well yea you could possibly have over-trained. I think I can agree bjj can cause problems, but you just have to train smart. Focus on your flexibility and nutrition to heal up. It's relative to the beholder, if a fat guy starts taking bjj classes over-all he's going to be much healthierhttps://www.patreon.com/posts/bjj-is-really-to-18386254 Article by Emily Kwok
From me...
Some people ask me why I take extended periods of limited to no training. Here are some reasons...
1. I like being able to get in my car without using my hands to pull my left leg inside. Multiple groin injuries over the years start adding up.
2. I like being able to put coffee cups on the top shelf. Limited shoulder mobility is a thing.
3. I like hiking without the fear of my knee collapsing. Knee surgery on top of multiple chronic knee issues isn’t my fave.
4. I like being able to hold things in my hands. Let’s face it. Our hands and fingers are wrecked.
5. The whole left side of my body is out of alignment from the asymmetry of my training. I need to rotate the tires regularly.
I plan to train for many years to come. 22 years of training and I’m still going strong most of the time. My coaches know I’ve competed with a torn meniscus, groin pulls, bursitis on my elbow the size of a tennis ball, limited movement in multiple joints. It goes on and on...
Time off lets my body recalibrate. It lets my mind believe that jiu Jitsu isn’t a job and that I have to be there every day all day and accept all challenges from every beast and monster.
Time off clears the way to let me become passionate with other things. I crave learning and reinvention. I don’t want jiu Jitsu to become stale. I am bored with my competition game. I am tired of always bringing my a game.
I take time off because I love the jiu Jitsu lifestyle. I love my teammates and the jiu Jitsu community at large. I don’t want to “be done.”
https://www.patreon.com/posts/bjj-is-really-to-18386254
Yea I took a break from judo and my hands and joints healed up nicely. Damn gi does damageThis is the truth. Heck I'm only 39 but my style has changed a lot in the last few months. I don't really strain anymore (no "lifting weights" while rolling - outputting a lot of muscular effort for prolonged periods); this keeps me from getting so tired too, which is a really big benefit for me, and makes me enjoy training more - I'm going to BJJ after a long day of work or while recuperating on the weekend and don't always feel like training until I can barely breath. Interestingly I found this greatly increased how the rolls go against inexperienced young/athletic dudes (who I can't really sustain maximum effort with - so not playing that game actually seems advantageous) - having them wildly buck around doesn't matter if I'm not trying to match it with my own strength but am just chilling and looking for the next move from top side control or mount.
Not straining does seem to make rolls with higher belts and smaller people harder...probably because I don't overpower them like I used to when I output a ton of energy and was "stiff" and explosive with my rolls. Doesn't matter though - it's better this way. It also seemed to make me more active - since I don't really strain, I don't really need to rest either, so I can keep going at a pretty high pace. It's really weird not being the most tired guy in the gym now.
I also don't use a lot of Gi grips that mess my fingers up (I still use some grips though, particularly when on top - certain situations don't seem to bother my fingers). I haven't competed for a long time but in terms of enjoying training this seems to be good.
That’s actually the exact opposite of what Dutch spring is. They are famous for beating the shit out each other during sparringYou can spar "Dutch" style. Going only to the body and avoiding the head. Good for older age.
I think that the OP is more applicable to me than the linked article. Mostly because some of the Cash Bill points resonate with me:
I think that I might be a little bit older (and have two fewer years training) but I know that I sorely misused my body and (limited) athleticism in a number of ways before I ever heard of jiu jitsu. I think that we need to understand that while jiu jitsu is a physically abusive activity-many people pamper their bodies, avoid repetitive stress injuries and still suffer the depredations of time. Determining the relative value of the sport to my life helps me to manage my output and level of training.
BTW, how long does it take to heal your groin injuries? Like a pulled groin. Seems like it used to be a few weeks, now it is months...
This is the truth. Heck I'm only 39 but my style has changed a lot in the last few months. I don't really strain anymore (no "lifting weights" while rolling - outputting a lot of muscular effort for prolonged periods); this keeps me from getting so tired too, which is a really big benefit for me, and makes me enjoy training more - I'm going to BJJ after a long day of work or while recuperating on the weekend and don't always feel like training until I can barely breath. Interestingly I found this greatly increased how the rolls go against inexperienced young/athletic dudes (who I can't really sustain maximum effort with - so not playing that game actually seems advantageous) - having them wildly buck around doesn't matter if I'm not trying to match it with my own strength but am just chilling and looking for the next move from top side control or mount.
Not straining does seem to make rolls with higher belts and smaller people harder...probably because I don't overpower them like I used to when I output a ton of energy and was "stiff" and explosive with my rolls. Doesn't matter though - it's better this way. It also seemed to make me more active - since I don't really strain, I don't really need to rest either, so I can keep going at a pretty high pace. It's really weird not being the most tired guy in the gym now.
I also don't use a lot of Gi grips that mess my fingers up (I still use some grips though, particularly when on top - certain situations don't seem to bother my fingers). I haven't competed for a long time but in terms of enjoying training this seems to be good.
I actually wish I did more of the "weight lifting", which is to say I wish I had maintained more muscular tension instead of always loading people on myself and relaxing.
Bjj is like the most inefficient way to lift weights as people are trying to constantly misalign you or make you lift with a relatively weak part of your body. If I'm smart my frame supports their weight but that weight is bound to fall entirely on my tendons/ligaments if I am not diligent about supporting them with the surrounding muscle.
Contracts are the worst.Either ripped rib cartilage or broken rib, which to this day did not heal properly. Had really bad staph infection on my neck that discouraged me from training BJJ. Never had that shit before.
I think it's more of what your priorities are. I can't compare myself to full time fighters because that's their career, not mine. Also, I'm done with contracts. Will only pay as I go.
Not the head. Only the body.That’s actually the exact opposite of what Dutch spring is. They are famous for beating the shit out each other during sparring
I suffered from that.I think that the OP is more applicable to me than the linked article. Mostly because some of the Cash Bill points resonate with me:
I think that I might be a little bit older (and have two fewer years training) but I know that I sorely misused my body and (limited) athleticism in a number of ways before I ever heard of jiu jitsu. I think that we need to understand that while jiu jitsu is a physically abusive activity-many people pamper their bodies, avoid repetitive stress injuries and still suffer the depredations of time. Determining the relative value of the sport to my life helps me to manage my output and level of training.
BTW, how long does it take to heal your groin injuries? Like a pulled groin. Seems like it used to be a few weeks, now it is months...
No, the Dutch beat the shit out of each other. The Thais go light, but that’s because they fight so much they learn on the job. Dutch KO each other in trainingNot the head. Only the body.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/bjj-is-really-to-18386254 Article by Emily Kwok
From me...
Some people ask me why I take extended periods of limited to no training. Here are some reasons...
1. I like being able to get in my car without using my hands to pull my left leg inside. Multiple groin injuries over the years start adding up.
2. I like being able to put coffee cups on the top shelf. Limited shoulder mobility is a thing.
3. I like hiking without the fear of my knee collapsing. Knee surgery on top of multiple chronic knee issues isn’t my fave.
4. I like being able to hold things in my hands. Let’s face it. Our hands and fingers are wrecked.
5. The whole left side of my body is out of alignment from the asymmetry of my training. I need to rotate the tires regularly.
I plan to train for many years to come. 22 years of training and I’m still going strong most of the time. My coaches know I’ve competed with a torn meniscus, groin pulls, bursitis on my elbow the size of a tennis ball, limited movement in multiple joints. It goes on and on...
Time off lets my body recalibrate. It lets my mind believe that jiu Jitsu isn’t a job and that I have to be there every day all day and accept all challenges from every beast and monster.
Time off clears the way to let me become passionate with other things. I crave learning and reinvention. I don’t want jiu Jitsu to become stale. I am bored with my competition game. I am tired of always bringing my a game.
I take time off because I love the jiu Jitsu lifestyle. I love my teammates and the jiu Jitsu community at large. I don’t want to “be done.”
https://www.patreon.com/posts/bjj-is-really-to-18386254