Jesse Williams speech

[ObsoleteSoul]

I think its prove SJW definition of multiculturalism would not work.

the real multiculturalism or what i call multi ethnic, is when people from different ethnic and culture can live together and combining their culture.

the real supporter of multiculturalism would embrace people taking from each different culture, with or without recognition.

Yep.

I mean how would some blacks feel if they used something from white culture and then I go and harass them until I get recognition for something I didn't do? Are people so insecure that they need an "attaboy" for something they didn't do? I'm not gonna take the blame for bad things whites did, and I wont take credit for the good either, and don't expect any race to do it either. You are either individuals who should be judged based upon the strength of your character, or you are fully part of the herd, and should take blame for any wrongdoing in your demographic. People have to stop playing this game were you dance between the two, depending on if it is considered a good or bad thing.

 

[dontsnitch]

I think its prove SJW definition of multiculturalism would not work.

the real multiculturalism or what i call multi ethnic, is when people from different ethnic and culture can live together and combining their culture.

the real supporter of multiculturalism would embrace people taking from each different culture, with or without recognition.

Exactly. If you live in a society, you're supposed to share an over-arching culture, otherwise, it's not one cohesive group but several divided groups. Whining about appropriation is an explicit affirmation that multiculturalism doesn't work, and as I understand it, that's racist.

 

[Gref]

The dude only appears to have a pinky toe black in him and he is more white than anything else. His Mother is 100% white (Sweedish) and his Dad has Seminole, African, and obviously white blood in him. Here is a picture of his father and him.

South African, maybe

 

[IDL]

I believe pop-culture influences people far more than most care to admit. It influences attitudes, behavior, language, politics, how people dress, the pets they buy, the products they purchase, and so on. Look at how much a young girl changes after reading a few issues of Cosmopolitan magazine. There is a reason politicians recruit celebrities to endorse their political campaigns.

Absolutely. Culture itself influences people, and the arts is a big part of what shapes culture.
This has been known and studied for literally thousands of years, and Plato even went as far as suggesting art should be strictly under the control of the state for this reason, since it can be both useful, and very destructive.

All art is propoganda.

The Church knew this as well. All powers do.

 

[Gref]

Jesse Williams should hook up with Rachel Dolezal.

 

[SpartanKhmy]

Why is this white dude so angry?

 

[lfd0311]

That blue eyed, pale skinned man should really check his white privilege...

 

[Steve-French]

Jesse Williams should hook up with Rachel Dolezal.

Lol I was thinking the same thing.

 

[Brampton_Boy]

Sadly, many listeners of rap music are growing up in terrible environments and the terrible lyrics merely reinforce the poor behavior of the people living in those environments. I do not see how glorifying violence and misogyny through immature lyrics is going to help a kid growing up in an environment of violence and misogyny change his mind about those things.

It's one thing for immature white kids growing up in relatively good neighborhoods to be amused by violent rap music, however, it is quite another for a kid living in a tough neighborhood to hear such a brutal message.

To be honest, I am not sure why anyone wants to listen to some idiot barking over obnoxious beats about banging hoes, dealing drugs and killing ni**as. There is nothing worth listening to in most rap music as far as I am concerned.

Well, while I'm not a fan of gangster rap nor do I condone the message, I don't discount the utility and importance of the genre to segments of the black community (and to music as a whole).

Artists who rap about drugs, gangs etc are speaking to a lived experience. They are taking ownership and embracing the horrific conditions endemic to poor communities and telling the world "I lived this, I thrived in this, and now I'm making money from it". They aren't the victims of circumstance, they are the predators and opportunists who "run the town".

To a young person living in the ghetto (who already has slim to none viable options for upwards social mobility), gangster rap can be seen as a form of empowerment. They too can make it if they learn to hustle, and their reward is the untold riches shown in rap videos.

And its for that reason that I sympathize with elements of BLM and Jesse Williams speech - the fact that kids are so disenfranchised that they see rap and sports as their only viable options to get out of poverty speaks to the structural inequality and racism that does exist. I have said it time and time again, we need to invest in communities to show young black men (or any marginalized youth) that they have options, and that they are capable of greatness. I really do believe that once younger people see their people excel and thrive in areas outside of sports and entertainment, they will gravitate towards that instead.

 

[LilMountain]

The dude only appears to have a pinky toe black in him and he is more white than anything else. His Mother is 100% white (Sweedish) and his Dad has Seminole, African, and obviously white blood in him. Here is a picture of his father and him.

 

[Steve-French]

Perfect!

 

[Tycho]

BLM have likely produced more white racists in the last 3 years than the KKK managed in the last 50

 

[CableandThanos]

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[CableandThanos]

Are you conservative? becaue this is what we talk about all teh time and we get laughed at by Liberals.
Yes everyone should take responsibility, but when you grow up in an environment where no one has to take responsibility, how do these people "know to take responsibility"?
I listened to gansta rap when I was 12-20 yrs old. Listening to songs all day about fuckin bitches and gettign your dick sucked makes you think not that highly of women, You are young , impressionable, going through puberty, horny all the time and all you hear is fuckin, fuckin, fuckin. Hell I had a two parent household and new better han to play that shit around my father, but It still made an impression on me.

I'm not saying that it is good music or that the message is, but it's just music. The individual's actions are their own, and blaming music is silly to me. Like blaming violence on video games.

I mean I don't think listening to a song about rape, called "fucked with a knife" is any different than listening to a rap song about pimps and hoes and all that jazz, but my friends and I didn't go out raping, because we know it's just music. Individual responsibility for your own actions should be what we all seek.

 

[CableandThanos]

And if it wasn't music, it would be something else, since they are kids. How far down this rabbit hole are you willing to go?

Im willing to go real far.

I'm not maing excuses for how some men treat some women.

But when certain people grow up in a non stable environment, then in their most impressionable times of puberty and trying to establish relationships and thoughts about others and the other sex, they hear non stop fuck a bitch, fuck a bitch from music, then they see nudity and casual sex on TV, then they sex sex scenes and the sexualization of women in movies, then they see their fellow friends call women bitches and hoes (and see the women accept this), all while going through puberty and horny all the time, is it any wonder that some dudes view women as second class.-----long ass run on, lol

You spend from 10 to 20 seeing them as nothing but sex objects, and that is totally reinforced in every aspect of your life. Then all of a sudden you are thrown out to teh "real world" and told that women are your equals and should be takin seriously. You just spent the last 10 years of your life viewing them as a place to put your dick, and now you are suppose to view them as equal and think they can do everything you can do?

 

[ObsoleteSoul]

Are you conservative? becaue this is what we talk about all teh time and we get laughed at by Liberals.
Yes everyone should take responsibility, but when you grow up in an environment where no one has to take responsibility, how do these people "know to take responsibility"?
I listened to gansta rap when I was 12-20 yrs old. Listening to songs all day about fuckin bitches and gettign your dick sucked makes you think not that highly of women, You are young , impressionable, going through puberty, horny all the time and all you hear is fuckin, fuckin, fuckin. Hell I had a two parent household and new better han to play that shit around my father, but It still made an impression on me.

Not sure. Probably a conservative leaning moderate, or libertarian. Personal freedom and responsibility above all.

I get kids are impressionable, but that's honestly too bad for the dumb ones who fall into that trap. We cannot sanitize everything and act like we are free to exchange ideas and make art in our own way.

In response to above; that is something I would hate to see. I don't listen to rap(that much...), but I watch and listen to very offensive art forms, and hope to not ever see them censored or changed for the children!!! Lol

 

[CableandThanos]

You make a strong point. It is not reasonable to think it is possible to magically erase everything that is a bad influence. Ultimately, it comes down to promoting personal responsibility and people doing their best to raise their children properly and even then people will still do terrible things to each other.

Yet conservatives get made fun of when ever we say this.

 

[CableandThanos]

Not sure. Probably a conservative leaning moderate, or libertarian. Personal freedom and responsibility above all.

I get kids are impressionable, but that's honestly too bad for the dumb ones who fall into that trap. We cannot sanitize everything and act like we are free to exchange ideas and make art in our own way.

In response to above; that is something I would hate to see. I don't listen to rap(that much...), but I watch and listen to very offensive art forms, and hope to not ever see them censored or changed for the children!!! Lol

Then that is an issue that we will have to put up with. If we want that freedom of expression and art then we will have to put up with it seriously influencing and possibly fucking up a certain percentage of kids.

Its just like other things in life that we want so we put up with the bad things.

We want alcohol so we put up with drunk drivers, people dying from drunk drivers, all teh medical problems from alcohol, all the spousal abuse and fights started with the help of alcohol, and the wrecked lives of addicts,etc.

Same with guns. We want to be able to have guns, shoot for sport, shoot for hunting, personal protection, etc, so we put up with a certain amount of murders and a certain amount of kids being shot.

Liberals don't say shit about all the havoc alcohol causes but freak the fuck out over some kids being shot. Where was this outrage when my cousins were killed by a drunk driver?? My cousins being plowed over by a drunk driver is just as bad as some random kids getting shot.

So just like alcohol and guns, we will put up with the bad effects of freedom of expression/art, just to be able to have them.

 

[ObsoleteSoul]

Then that is an issue that we will have to put up with. If we want that freedom of expression and art then we will have to put up with it seriously influencing and possibly fucking up a certain percentage of kids.

Its just like other things in life that we want so we put up with the bad things.

We want alcohol so we put up with drunk drivers, people dying from drunk drivers, all teh medical problems from alcohol, all the spousal abuse and fights started with the help of alcohol, and the wrecked lives of addicts,etc.

Same with guns. We want to be able to have guns, shoot for sport, shoot for hunting, personal protection, etc, so we put up with a certain amount of murders and a certain amount of kids being shot.

Liberals don't say shit about all the havoc alcohol causes but freak the fuck out over some kids being shot. Where was this outrage when my cousins were killed by a drunk driver?? My cousins being plowed over by a drunk driver is just as bad as some random kids getting shot.

So just like alcohol and guns, we will put up with the bad effects of freedom of expression/art, just to be able to have them.

Pretty much what I think... Sucks, but I hate the alternative even more.

 

[5H3RD0G]

That is a perspective view but in reality all the problems are magnified due to the population mass not racism. Racism occurs when people fight for space just like rights and equality. To put it in simpler terms imagine a large family with many kids, each kid tries to gain the attention of the parents.