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reems been kod many more times. dont forget k-1
JDS or Overeem: Who's chin do you trust more.
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yeah poorly worded by me, basically yeah who's chin do you trust more in a fight taking into account their respective gameplans
I wouldn't go that far...
VERY good point, Frank Mur has a terrible chin...
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JDS has a good chin, but as a huge fan of his, his striking is arguably the worst in the whole division.
He always walks straight back with his hands up, which is exactly how Stipe caught him, it's how Stipe had success in the first fight, how Cain trapped him against the cage in two fights and how Overeem caught him.
It sucks that after all this time his defense has never changed.
He always walks straight back with his hands up, which is exactly how Stipe caught him, it's how Stipe had success in the first fight, how Cain trapped him against the cage in two fights and how Overeem caught him.
It sucks that after all this time his defense has never changed.
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Damn. What a question. I can't tell at this point. Cigano used to have an iron jaw, while Alistair's chin was never reliable.
JDS Kayoed so easily at the hands of Stipe.... that shit was ALARMING.
It is true that Overeem's evading tactics are vastly superior to Junior's.
JDS Kayoed so easily at the hands of Stipe.... that shit was ALARMING.
It is true that Overeem's evading tactics are vastly superior to Junior's.
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I think JDS's chin may be shattered since the Cain and Stipe 1 war's
I don't recall exactly but did Rothwell even land any shots on him? I just remember JDS battering him and disengaging a lot, he was too quick for Rothwell
Reem and Stipe do hit hard but JDS quit after the first punch Stipe landed on him recently and got rocked and dropped by the shots Reem landed on him in their fight
Overeem took a few clean shots from Stipe before going lights out and a few big shots from Hunt recently
if you asked me before the Stipe rematch I'd say JDS without hesitating but now I'm not so sure
I don't recall exactly but did Rothwell even land any shots on him? I just remember JDS battering him and disengaging a lot, he was too quick for Rothwell
Reem and Stipe do hit hard but JDS quit after the first punch Stipe landed on him recently and got rocked and dropped by the shots Reem landed on him in their fight
Overeem took a few clean shots from Stipe before going lights out and a few big shots from Hunt recently
if you asked me before the Stipe rematch I'd say JDS without hesitating but now I'm not so sure
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yeah but JDS has taken more punishment over the Stipe and Cain fights than Overeem has in his career IMO
we've seen it time and time again in fighters who used to be known for their chin, it eventually takes its toll and they start getting KO'd by a breeze
I know he has a medical condition and genuinely needed to be on juice but Bigfoot went from having a great chin to the worst chin I've ever seen at HW, I'm convinced bantamweight's can KO him
if JDS's chin is done then so is his career, he relies on it to win the tough fights at HW
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JDS just has bad defensive habits. Overeem does everything possible to protect his chin and still gets KO'ed.
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Yup.
Rothwell did not touch JDS clean, even once.
I fear that JDS' chin is damaged goods. He is gun shy and afraid of being hit. Big fan of his, I'm a bit unsettled about his future, JDS used to be Fearsome and a real wrecking machine.
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Is this intentionally exaggerated? He certainly has flaws but he's tooled plenty of people standing including Big Ben, Roy, Carwin, Mir etc. and won the first fight with Stipe...
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JDS had said some time ago that Stipe hit the hardest he'd ever felt. Before the rematch, Stipe claimed he punched "way harder" now. I think that in the bout JDS felt the truth of that, then some part of his brain's subroutine calculated the difference, extrapolated it over 5 rounds and said "fuck this shit I'm outta here."
The punch that knocked him down though...JEEzus! The audible SMACK of it was startling. And did you hear the commentators instinctively moaning in horrified sympathy? It was sort of like the reaction you get when you see someone kneed in the balls, but slower and more deliberate as if enacted in a Greek tragedy (Oedipus Wrecks, perhaps? Or Oedipus at Cojones?)
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For sure I exaggerated a little bit, but his defense has always been the weakest asset of his game.
Roy Nelson isn't exactly a technical striker so it's no surprise JDS was barely touched, and Frank Mir was finished early.
Rothwell and Carwin were both great wins.
JDS did win that first fight, but he was getting hit a lot when he backed up, especially during the first two rounds.
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JDS's chin is much better, he has been easier to hit lately and gets knocked down by bombs. Reem was knocked out by a few seconds of ground N pound for crying out loud.
Also I've never actually seen JDS unconscious, just severely hurt and covering up.
Also I've never actually seen JDS unconscious, just severely hurt and covering up.
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Overeems big weakness isn't really that he's easy to KO but rather than he's easy to rock and tends to react badly when it happens just covering up and generally getting sloppy.
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There was nothing on that punch that put him down too. Glass.I wouldn't go that far...
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He had won so many fights with offensive boxing and tdd. But he is over his prime now and it really shows because of his limited skillset.
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