Is Showtime pushing a progressive agenda?

Don’t forget about “the chi” a drama about south side Chicago that focuses on a murder, humanizing gangsters, and of course, corrupt police.

I haven't watched the Chi yet, but it looks like it could have some potential. They had a brief interview on with the creator of it in between shows and she said that Chicago gets a bad wrap and that reason for the south side violence is more "complex" than what people give it credit for. I don't really understand what's so complex about gang violence.
 
Outside of a few shows (and even then, theres plenty of cuckoldry to go around on the walking dead, vikings, game of thrones) TV is dead to me. Hollywood no longer practices subtlety
I've enjoyed the early seasons of Vikings (just started). Fucking what, third episode with Lagertha and Ragnar "would you like to join?"
 
I haven't watched the Chi yet, but it looks like it could have some potential. They had a brief interview on with the creator of it in between shows and she said that Chicago gets a bad wrap and that reason for the south side violence is more "complex" than what people give it credit for. I don't really understand what's so complex about gang violence.
The Chi smells like a show that's trying to hard and too obviously to be the Chicago version of The Wire.
 
It's not really an agenda, only a lack of conservatives that are able or willing to create quality entertainment worthy of the showtime brand.
 
I've enjoyed the early seasons of Vikings (just started). Fucking what, third episode with Lagertha and Ragnar "would you like to join?"

Just wait. Last season was out of control and one episode from the new season had a character discovering a transvestite when he reached under its dress and they left the conclusion of it open ended to imply the guy might have even fucked it!
 
I never understood watching TV. I know what you mean though. I remember how much it pissed me off when reactionary American culture warriors started messing with the Hugo Awards and great publishers like Baen started participating in the American culture wars.
 
This dumb myth never dies. Clinton has been carrying hot sauce around for decades, and multiple people have mentioned it over the years. Nutters get these ideas in their head, and no amount of evidence can change their minds.
I've heard about this but tbh her delivery in that infamous interview doesn't help. It really does come off as a bad pandering attempt which is sad if she really does carry around hot sauce in her bag. Its not that hard to believe, my dad will carry a green pepper with him if he goes out to go to a restaurant that isn't a South Asian one(which is almost never).
 
Don’t forget about “the chi” a drama about south side Chicago that focuses on a murder, humanizing gangsters, and of course, corrupt police.
Cops don't get to complain, there are just as many instances, if not more, of cops using dirty tactics only to get vindicated in the end on TV. Hell even kids movies have them. One of the more annoying scripts for me to watch.
 
Just wait. Last season was out of control and one episode from the new season had a character discovering a transvestite when he reached under its dress and they left the conclusion of it open ended to imply the guy might have even fucked it!
A hole is a hole?
 
Don’t forget about “the chi” a drama about south side Chicago that focuses on a murder, humanizing gangsters, and of course, corrupt police.

Did Homeland make police look bad? I though it was pretty pro-law enforcement. In general would you agree that most cop shows make the police look pretty good?

A doc friend hates medical shows because people expect shit to happen like on TV. Do cops have the same problem where victims want things to happen smoothly and quickly like the shows?
 
Do cops have the same problem where victims want things to happen smoothly and quickly like the shows?
Not sure about cops but they expect the Courtroom shit to go the way it does on Law and Order where attorneys make random motions in the middle of court they never filed and expect the Judge to rule on it that day.

Defendants have that same feeling too. One defendant called one of our Judges a "punk cunt house n**** bitch whore" because she refused to hear his request to lower bail because the State hadn't had a chance to review the motion and shit.

I've been called some ridiculous shit by defendants as well at work.

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Example is we had a victim of a pretty violent assault about 6 months ago (think Class A level where she got cut with a knife and shit. Almost on par with what War Machine did to Christy Mack) get fucking PISSED at me when she asked me "why isn't he in prison yet?" and the honest response I gave her was "attorneys have asked for attorneys because his attorney a public defender wants to make sure he has all the information he wants before deciding to go to trial or taking the State's offer and the State has an obligation to give the defendant a chance to plead out as trials are expensive."
"He shouldn't get a fucking chance to plead, he should go straight to prison"
"Um.... everyone gets their day in Court, it's the nature of the beast"

She got hysterical at that stage and stormed out while being escorted by the Courthouse Sheriff deputy.

I GET why she's pissed, I'm in her situation I am sure I would be too.... but fuck. CSI and Law and Order has done a ton to damage people's expectations of how Courtroom procedure goes.
 
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Not sure about cops but they expect the Courtroom shit to go the way it does on Law and Order where attorneys make random motions in the middle of court they never filed and expect the Judge to rule on it that day.

Defendants have that same feeling too. One defendant called one of our Judges a "punk cunt house n**** bitch whore" because she refused to hear his request to lower bail because the State hadn't had a chance to review the motion and shit.

I've been called some ridiculous shit by defendants as well at work.

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Example is we had a victim of a pretty violent assault about 6 months ago (think Class A level where she got cut with a knife and shit. Almost on par with what War Machine did to Christy Mack) get fucking PISSED at me when she asked me "why isn't he in prison yet?" and the honest response I gave her was "attorneys have asked for attorneys because his attorney a public defender wants to make sure he has all the information he wants before deciding to go to trial or taking the State's offer and the State has an obligation to give the defendant a chance to plead out as trials are expensive."
"He shouldn't get a fucking chance to plead, he should go straight to prison"
"Um.... everyone gets their day in Court, it's the nature of the beast"

She got hysterical at that stage and stormed out while being escorted by the Courthouse Sheriff deputy.

I GET why she's pissed, I'm in her situation I am sure I would be too.... but fuck. CSI and Law and Order has done a ton to damage people's expectations of how Courtroom procedure goes.


I gotta say, having been on a jury for a 4 day white collar civil case involving accounting malfeasance that was super complicated and boring as hell reality is no, unsurprisingly, at at all like TV. My dad has been a law school Prof and Dean my whole life so the last time I was called for jury duty a mentioned that fact along with how I always really liked learning about the law which is true. Didn't get chosen that time.
 
Do some people just spend their time looking for things to get triggered by? A TV show has a gay/lsbian/trans person and they are "pushing an agenda".. Take a walk, get some fresh air. The sky is actually not falling. Jeez.

If you don´t like it, don´t watch it. If you think they are "sending a message" that you don´t agree with, don´t watch it. Don´t let your kids watch it. Hell, get rid of the TV. The choice is yours, not showtimes.
 
Did Homeland make police look bad? I though it was pretty pro-law enforcement. In general would you agree that most cop shows make the police look pretty good?

A doc friend hates medical shows because people expect shit to happen like on TV. Do cops have the same problem where victims want things to happen smoothly and quickly like the shows?

I didn’t watch homeland.


I would say that the ratio of good to bad cops on television is about even, but the shows try to be contemporary and hit all those “realistic” characters. The network shows will follow a template that leans toward “humanizing” both the cops and the bad guys. There will be the new father/family cop that has some marital problems or a kid with problems; there will be the rookie adrenaline junkie;the female cop trying to make it in a sexist male profession; there will be the salty veteran; there will be a couple of racist or brutal cops that put the rookie in a moral dilemma; there will be an episode with a questionable shoot; a cop will get killed in one episode(probably the rookie’s training officer that fills him with guilt); and there will be a couple of cliche type gang members.

The cable shows on showtime or hbo seem to be more negative in their portrayal of the cops because the writers have more freedom to express and expose their liberal writer’s opinions(see the wire).


My point is that they will try to get the mike brown or Eric garner type of episodes; the cop gets ambushed episode, black lives matter protests after the shooting of a 12 year old, etc.

Anyway, as for the csi effect(that’s what I call it) people want and expect me to get dna and fingerprints when they leave their car unlocked and shit gets stolen, they want a brick dusted for prints when it is thrown through a window-basically they have unrealistic expectations of what can be done and expect very expensive tests for a minor crime(no I am not collecting a cigarette butt to get dna! No i am not collecting a small piece of a tail light to try and track down someone that hit your car while you were in the grocery store(at Best, you can find out the make of the car.). No i am not going to send an officer in plainclothes to meet the guy that found/stole your iPhone that wants to sell it back to you, nor am I going to kick in a door because you pinged your “find my phone” to a house because those apps have a radius that can be thousands of feet-even if it looks clear that it is that house over there-hell, I can have the phone company do it on serious life at stake type of calls, and I will get a ping that can have a radius of a foot to a hundred.

I even had a person demand that evidence be collected and sent down state to the crime lab, and when I explained that the expense was prohibitive, they said “I am a taxpayer, and I pay for this, so I am ok with the expense and you work for me...”. Well, you can maybe imagine how the rest of that conversation went, and this was one of those unlocked car petit larceny cases, but they swore they locked their car and someone must have cloned a key, or hid in the bushes and used a phone app to record the unlock frequency(thanks csi!) to get into their car to steal loose change and a CD player.

I could go on forever with my sixteen years as a cop, but i think you get the point.
 
Everything pushes an agenda (as every human alive has an agenda of some sort). The good shows only imply an agenda, and allow the viewer to come to his or her own conclusions about what the writer may have meant.

The problem with today's TV shows is that the level of writing/production has become so terrible, that it is simply impossible for the writers to hide their own inclinations or opinions, due to their ineptitude as writers. The agenda is all very heavily shoved down the throats of the people watching, and all the intended "conclusions" for the viewer to come to, are made blatantly clear, impossible to miss. A badly produced TV show thus appears no different from a piece of political propaganda where the message is made clear intentionally, to serve a political/ideological purpose.

Producing art such as TV shows is often times a test of intelligence of sorts, where the viewer's level of intelligence and observance is matched against that of the producer of the art. Ideally, the artist always remains a step ahead of the person trying to figure out the meanings behind the art, because after all, he is the master of his own art, while the viewer can, at best, take an educated guess as to what the artist has intended.

Unfortunately, nowadays, the level of intelligence of the consumer is often higher than that of the producer, or the producer atleast grossly under-estimates the average intelligence of the consumer, therefore most TV shows come off as intelligence insulting and impossible to take any enjoyment in when viewed with a critical eye, unless one makes a conscious effort to down-play their own intelligence while watching.
 
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