how come Rory's english is so much better than GSP's?

[Malachai]

I'm not bilingual. Wish I was. I do see the value in it though. I have had a very hard time finding account managers in Ontario who speak french to service our Quebec accounts. The talent is not there. Which is why we pay them more because they are hard to source and retain. Its a very servicible skillset and a valuable qualification.
If I could go back in time I would have taken french immersion.

I would have as well, knowing now how important it is in any government job.

 

[2DUM2TAP]

Lots of ppl I work with say this... if I could go back in time.

Of of these individuals, many do "go back to school" wioth the public servant school to learn french.... and advance their careers.

Nah 35 now and with a wife and two kids and the travel I do its not possible.
That and I really sucked at french the first time around. Barely passed my Grade 9.

 

[tuker]

I did not have access to her PER. CF PER's state where you are ranked in your trade within your unit. She was the same trade as I was.

The position she was promoted into was not a bilingual essential position.

Yes, I mean she was bilingual. And in this case, that fact alone outweighed my greater experience, having my JLC, having done two tours in Bosnia and one in Africa, and having been higher than her on the merit list for three years running.

And I spent a year in ELFC St. Jean learning how to speak French at the start of my career and left being what the military considered bilingual. And was promptly posted to English speaking bases for 12 years.

Shut your trap unless you know what you're talking about.

Just the way you express yourself justify the reason why you did received the promotions. Your overly agressive behavior on this forum is probably a reflection of your action in the workplace. Your supervisors probably identirfied you as a "person with a behavior problem", thus were comes the time to give you a promotion, you don't fit the "suitability" criteria. Why would someone want somebody who has hatred toward french speaking individuals?

While you say that you never said anything is the workplace, you behavior alone must be a tell. Just like someone who hates woman... behavior don't lie.

So don't be surprise if you get pass over in the future... unless you change. I have seen in to many time. Remember, jalousy brings you nowhere.

 

[tuker]

I would have as well, knowing now how important it is in any government job.

And its never too late.

 

[Malachai]

Just the way you express yourself justify the reason why you did received the promotions. Your overly agressive behavior on this forum is probably a reflection of your action in the workplace. Your supervisors probably identirfied you as a "person with a behavior problem", thus were comes the time to give you a promotion, you don't fit the "suitability" criteria. Why would someone want somebody who has hatred toward french speaking individuals?

While you say that you never said anything is the workplace, you behavior alone must be a tell. Just like someone who hates woman... behavior don't lie.

So don't be surprise if you get pass over in the future... unless you change. I have seen in to many time. Remember, jalousy brings you nowhere.

You are just proving, once again, that you don't know what you're talking about.
Am I being a bit aggressive? Possibly. Am I responding to someone who a) doesn't know what they're talking about and b) effectively told me I was lying? Yes. I think that warrants a bit of aggression.

I have NO hatred towards French speaking individuals. I have hatred towards the fact that they get special treatment.... EVERYWHERE in the government.

The simple fact that speaking the language of a province that is 1/13th of the country, has ANY bearing on career advancement 3 timezones away from that province means it's not all about preservation of culture. It's about the government going FAR overboard, like they always do, in order to appease every minority group out there.

If everyone was treated equally, I wouldn't have anything to bitch about.

 

[tuker]

You are just proving, once again, that you don't know what you're talking about.
Am I being a bit aggressive? Possibly. Am I responding to someone who a) doesn't know what they're talking about and b) effectively told me I was lying? Yes. I think that warrants a bit of aggression.

I have NO hatred towards French speaking individuals. I have hatred towards the fact that they get special treatment.... EVERYWHERE in the government.

The simple fact that speaking the language of a province that is 1/13th of the country, has ANY bearing on career advancement 3 timezones away from that province means it's not all about preservation of culture. It's about the government going FAR overboard, like they always do, in order to appease every minority group out there.

If everyone was treated equally, I wouldn't have anything to bitch about.

Lol!!! No don't have a hatred toward a french speaking individual, but you have hatred toward the the government policy on billingual (mostly french policy).

It would be like saying, I am not racist, but damn, I hate black ppl cause they run fast.

Never said you lied! Just said that you didn't have access to the person personal evaluation. You might be rank higher than that person, but that person maturity and personality is probably years above yours... hence, why she got the promotions.

What will be your next excuse?? You didn't get the job because the other candidate had 4 fingers?

There are 2 types of person in the government... the whiners and the doers. Whiners don't get promotions.

 

[Malachai]

Lol!!! No don't have a hatred toward a french speaking individual, but you have hatred toward the the government policy on billingual (mostly french policy).

It would be like saying, I am not racist, but damn, I hate black ppl cause they run fast.

Never said you lied! Just said that you didn't have access to the person personal evaluation. You might be rank higher than that person, but that person maturity and personality is probably years above yours... hence, why she got the promotions.

What will be your next excuse?? You didn't get the job because the other candidate had 4 fingers?

There are 2 types of person in the government... the whiners and the doers. Whiners don't get promotions.

Now you're just being dense.

There's a big difference between hating a person and hating a policy that affords that person an advantage in the workplace. Two ENTIRELY different things.

Making shit up like "I might be a rank higher but that person's personality and maturity..." is just making you look foolish. You don't know anything about me, my personality, my maturity, or my work. You know what you've read on an internet forum, where you've repeatedly not understood what I've typed, and you're resorting to making baseless assumptions and making shit up to try to 'win'.

I'm now in my 2nd career and my 22nd year in the government.

You can keep trying to vilify me all you want, and making assumptions about my personality based on a few lines of text, but it's not going to change the facts.

- bilingual people get preferential treatment in the government in places where bilingualism isn't a requirement and it has nothing to do with preservation of culture.
- you aren't willing to admit it.
- you likely got to where YOU are today because of it (see what I did there... same bullshit you're trying to pull)

 

[Mikeyz]

they are both from quebec do canadians have very variable command of the english language?

I know you are trolling but Maybe because Rory is from Vancouver and GSP is from Montreal?

 

[HandsofGlory]

And guess who received most of the money that created the debt?

The rich are taxed because they receive the most from society. If a CEO wants to pay less taxes, maybe he should pay his employees more and take less money for himself, just like the guy from Costco did. But, if the guy wants to take as much money as he can because he is at the top and can decide how much he is worth, then he should pay more taxes.

If you want to know were the problem lies, follow the trail of money. Then you will realize that some people exploit the system for their own profit, leaving that system fragile. The same problem applies to socialism : one entity has too much power over the flow of money. In one, it's the government, in the other, it's private business. I think we need a perfect adequation between socialism and capitalism. I'm not sure how you can argue that the US government has too much power, and therefore the problem is a socialist one, when the parties are pretty much bought by private companies... You've seen who paid for the elections?

An economy were all the money goes to a few, like in the USA, or in Cuba for different reasons, is bad for everyone. You don't want money to get stuck in a bank account, you want it to keep circulating.

We all saw what happened when the government deregulated the market right before it crashed. No ingerence from the government didn't help there.

I agree, but the government is the one that continues to print money and build debt, all while adding more and more social programs and more spending, more government positions. Corporations purchase the election yes thats true. Almost every single company that received money in the stimulus supported Obama in 08. Each party has their own list of companies that they favour via what laws/bills they pass (or in Obamas case just give hundreds of millions of dollars to) But I do not believe it is the governments right to pick and choose what companies succeed and which dont, that should be determined by economics. Now that the Government owns companies like GM what does that do for the rest of the market? The guys who write the rules now have a horse in the race, it shouldn't be like that.

I am not saying one side is innocent and the other guilty, but yes a balance or medium needs to be established, Obama openly blames the rich for many things and says its their responsibility to more. But where does that stop? France taxes the rich over 70% now. That is complete thievery. The governments responsibility is to create a system that works, not rely on the wealthy to pay for everything and support the rest of the country. If I make 100k this year and were to lose 70k of it before even depositing it in the bank I would say fuck university, debt, working overtime, the effort and just become a recipient. The wealthy cant support everyone forever or dig the US out of a debt that is growing faster than ever with Obama at the wheel (even though Iraq is over and Afghanistan is winding down somehow the US is still spending more money than before).

 

[tuker]

Now you're just being dense.

There's a big difference between hating a person and hating a policy that affords that person an advantage in the workplace. Two ENTIRELY different things.

Making shit up like "I might be a rank higher but that person's personality and maturity..." is just making you look foolish. You don't know anything about me, my personality, my maturity, or my work. You know what you've read on an internet forum, where you've repeatedly not understood what I've typed, and you're resorting to making baseless assumptions and making shit up to try to 'win'.

I'm now in my 2nd career and my 22nd year in the government.

You can keep trying to vilify me all you want, and making assumptions about my personality based on a few lines of text, but it's not going to change the facts.

- bilingual people get preferential treatment in the government in places where bilingualism isn't a requirement and it has nothing to do with preservation of culture.
- you aren't willing to admit it.
- you likely got to where YOU are today because of it (see what I did there... same bullshit you're trying to pull)

You are so blinded by you hatred toward that policy that you are inventing stuff. Someone said it best. French, I should say being billingual, is like a 2nd degree. It is a huge advantage that everyone can have. Some choose to bitch about it instead of learning it.
And please, I have been in the government long enough. What you are saying, preferential treatment, happens in isolated case. I will not admit a lie. There are english speaking individuals here that decided to learn french a few years to get promotions, and they did. French is a requirement in many places.
I am where I am today, in part because, I am billingual. But also because I have a University degree, someone who doesn't complain and bitch if someone other than me gets promoted. All this shit is part of my background personality.
Would I complain if someone with a master degree win a promotion over me.
Simple answer NO. If a master degree is what I need to accomplish something, I wouldn't bitch about it. I would go and get it.

And yeah it easy to see your personality through your words. You are the generation that feels everything is owed to them. You wait till something is given to you instead of working hard to get it. You are in the late 30s-40 generation. You get insulted because 35 and under dont sit and wait for promotions. No shit we surpass you guys.

 

[MixMartialFarts]

Depends on where they are from. Most people around the world would know some basic things about Canada. We don't expect Americans to know anything though.

HAHAHA This

 

[Ashenthorn]

Now that he's turned heel, Rory should now refuse to speak any language but French.

 

[Malachai]

You are so blinded by you hatred toward that policy that you are inventing stuff. Someone said it best. French, I should say being billingual, is like a 2nd degree. It is a huge advantage that everyone can have. Some choose to bitch about it instead of learning it.
And please, I have been in the government long enough. What you are saying, preferential treatment, happens in isolated case. I will not admit a lie. There are english speaking individuals here that decided to learn french a few years to get promotions, and they did. French is a requirement in many places.
I am where I am today, in part because, I am billingual. But also because I have a University degree, someone who doesn't complain and bitch if someone other than me gets promoted. All this shit is part of my background personality.
Would I complain if someone with a master degree win a promotion over me.
Simple answer NO. If a master degree is what I need to accomplish something, I wouldn't bitch about it. I would go and get it.

And yeah it easy to see your personality through your words. You are the generation that feels everything is owed to them. You wait till something is given to you instead of working hard to get it. You are in the late 30s-40 generation. You get insulted because 35 and under dont sit and wait for promotions. No shit we surpass you guys.

I'm not inventing anything. If I am, prove it.

You say yourself that French is a huge advantage. I'm saying it shouldn't be except in places where it is a requirement... which you can't refute.

The rest... don't care enough to bother arguing with you anymore. You're just making assumption after assumption, not listening or understanding, and making more generalizations when you don't know the facts.

 

[Wariowokecancel]

I'm not inventing anything. If I am, prove it.

You say yourself that French is a huge advantage. I'm saying it shouldn't be except in places where it is a requirement... which you can't refute.

The rest... don't care enough to bother arguing with you anymore. You're just making assumption after assumption, not listening or understanding, and making more generalizations when you don't know the facts.

Right, so a guy with 3 skills shouldn't be preferred over the guy with 2 skills even if only 2 skills are a requirement?

You do know what the difference betweenand advantage and necessity?

So if we have this engineer (lawyer, doctor, bus driver) who speaks French and English and he's competing with exactly the skill level of engineer who speaks only English and they're working in Canada, especially Quebec? Well apart a toin coss, you can only choose on differing skills.

WITHOUT FULFILLING THE REQUIREMENT YOU CAN'T STEP UP FOR THE JOB. That's not an advantage, its sine quad non.

Additional skills are an advantage.

 

[Malachai]

Right, so a guy with 3 skills shouldn't be preferred over the guy with 2 skills even if only 2 skills are a requirement?

You do know what the difference betweenand advantage and necessity?

So if we have this engineer (lawyer, doctor, bus driver) who speaks French and English and he's competing with exactly the skill level of engineer who speaks only English and they're working in Canada, especially Quebec? Well apart a toin coss, you can only choose on differing skills.

WITHOUT FULFILLING THE REQUIREMENT YOU CAN'T STEP UP FOR THE JOB. That's not an advantage, its sine quad non.

Additional skills are an advantage.

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. If that lawyer, or whatever... is competing for a job in Quebec... absolutely, hire the bilingual one every time. If he's competing for a job in Ottawa, absolutely, hire the bilingual one.

If that job is in Calgary.... all things else being even... maybe hire the bilingual one.

In my case, that I detailed earlier.... all things were NOT equal. Not even close.

 

[bref]

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. If that lawyer, or whatever... is competing for a job in Quebec... absolutely, hire the bilingual one every time. If he's competing for a job in Ottawa, absolutely, hire the bilingual one.

If that job is in Calgary.... all things else being even... maybe hire the bilingual one.

In my case, that I detailed earlier.... all things were NOT equal. Not even close.

This is along the same lines as making fire fighter practical training easier for women than men. It makes no fucking sense when their job is to save your life. 'Equality' should be disregarded for certain jobs.

If that job is in Calgary, AND that company has offices in Quebec, I could see the french thing being a bigger factor. My company just opened an office in Montreal, and it has proven difficult to find competent, bilingual people in western Canada. They always have one and not the other.

 

[Shaungotti]

This battle between Wolverine and Napoleon Dynamite is going to the championship rounds! Keep it going, gents, it's good stuff!

 

[BoogerDawson]

GSP isn't impressed with Rory's English.

 

[fearoth]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Canadian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Canadian

 

[pjmman]

i am canadian and we had to learn french in school and we all fuckin hated it... still cant speak or understand any of it except how to ask the teacher to go to the bathroom (we had to ask in french in order to go lol)

and might i add we all hate people from montreal.. damn separatists

was hoping Rory could be our saviour so we could finally have a real canadian champ but it seems he has converted to the dark side

speak for yourself. Quebecers are Canadians as much as people from BC. Love the French part of Canada.