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It's not rampant and is extremely rare.
It's not rampant and is extremely rare.
That meme gives you a general idea. There are more weak men today then there were in the past. Like I said before it's usually the elite/rich and powerful that are messed up and I think we all know why.The pictures don't prove anything, anymore than this proves anything:
Then
Now
Hopefully we got that covered so we don't have to keep going over this.
Sodom and Gomorrah really? You do know that is a fictional story right?
I was actually looking for the study, not fluff piece articles. I did however find it and read it, and it's very fascinating indeed. This is the testosterone study that they are all referring to: https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/92/1/196/2598434
It's actually an analysis of the data from the previous publications on the Massachusetts Male Aging Study.
While it's certainly very interesting that the difference in age matched decline couldn't be contributed to known factors of lower T like higher BMI, more alcohol consumption and less smoking (yes smoking is actually linked to a slight increase in T), it's still not concluse. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazingly well done study, but there are a few important caveats.
One is variance and fluctuations in daily hormone levels. I know they try to account for that with a strict protocol and that the sample size should wash that out somewhat. However, it can still effect the results especially over time considering the shrinkage of the sample size. It's a bit of a stretch though, I'll concede.
Another and much more important consideration is that the men were only taken from the Boston area and included roughly 1300 men at baseline and 900 at the second test. The data can simple not accurately represent the larger demographic of the west. You can hypothesise, but it's not conclusive. You would need several more cohort and longitudional studies across various populations.
Lastly, it doesn't make the link between societal norms changing and lower testosterone. Actually, it speculates that there might be other environmental factors/toxins not considered, or known. What is the most interesting though, was that the decline over time was the same relative percentage from all groups, which is quite surprising.
While they did incorperate sedentary levels (self reported to recall bias possible), they did not account for exercise intensity, type or volume. Also various age-matched psychosociological factors like stress levels, sex life, well-being and the like that could influence hormone levels.
In regards to the study on grip strength, this is the one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26869476
I have access to it so I can read it in full and it needs to be contextualised big time.
There is a pretty clear selection bias. The new study samples young men, 20-34 years, from universities in Nothern Carolina compared to the general population in Milwaukee within the same age group in 1985. How does that accurately represent an average? There is no stratifying of weight, height, exercise regiment, occupation/job or anything.
Secondly, we are talking about a sample size of 63 university students in the 20-24 year old group, 15 in the 25-29 year old group and 4 in the 30-34 year old group. Hardly representative.
It's interesting, but you cannot extrapolate the data to the genpop. Especially not the exact figures and percentages, although you could argue for a trend.
Obviously young people today has less grip strength compared to older generations. We don't use our hands the same at all. There is no substitute for physical labour when it comes to grip strength. We are larger on average though, live longer and most likely stronger in other areas. Depending on the population segment of course.
I completely agree that people should exercise more, sit less at a desk and use their body more in general.
What's your argument? I think you should read that article because it actually supports homosexuality in nature.
Actually the Janissary system declined when they moved from the forced enslavement of Christian boys to allowing freeborn Muslims to enter since it opened up the door to nepotism. The Janissaries were often sent out into the provinces to keep the peace and when they only drew them from the devsherme their Christian background made them more sympathetic to the Christian subjects of the Empire. Once you had Janissary dynasties they lacked this connection and became notoriously sectarian in addition to inefficient due to the nepotism. After the devshirme system was ended they turned into notorious drunks and extortionists.The male adult-boy relationships were merely a symptom of the larger disease that affected the system, at that time, and what ultimately led to its decline. I'm not saying that homosexual relations led to Ottoman decline, I'm saying that their way of conducting sexual relations between upper-class males, and boy slaves captured for their entertainment, was representative of how degenerated and fucked up the system truly was. Dependence on slavery, a rigid aristocracy with little upwards mobility whatsoever, and a general disregard for Islamic teachings except when convenient, all played a part into the stagnation of the Ottoman Empire. The Empire offered a hollow answer to ethnic nationalism, and eventually collapsed after failed attempts at centralization (as seems to be the fate of all such empires).
We can observe many of today's societal problems, too, in people's sexual relations. The state of confusion has become apparent in the younger generations.
Anyway, this is a conversation that is best left for a future date, as then we will have enough meaningful data about the "millenial" generations that are most affected by it.
what's weird, is until a few years ago I had never heard the terms 'alpha' or 'beta' outside of the context of animals/hunting, the Greek alphabet (frats), or the old grocery store chain Alpha Beta (which I think became Albertson's)
I still don't hear it IRL, only on the internet, but still it's constant and all the time. What a change
Got some white-on-white violence up in this
(Good call about the man-jaw thing. Even hot Northern European girls have that)
lol @ trying to make your point using memes that do not represent reality. Whatever floats your boat. Also, blocked for a week for mocking Jeff Goldblum.It got the job done and made the point clear.
Actually the Janissary system declined when they moved from the forced enslavement of Christian boys to allowing freeborn Muslims to enter since it opened up the door to nepotism. The Janissaries were often sent out into the provinces to keep the peace and when they only drew them from the devsherme their Christian background made them more sympathetic to the Christian subjects of the Empire. Once you had Janissary dynasties they lacked this connection and became notoriously sectarian in addition to inefficient due to the nepotism. After the devshirme system was ended they turned into notorious drunks and extortionists.
The Ottoman Empire declined because they had an outdated and inefficient tax collection system and military in addition to entrenched interests defending both, provincial elites for the former and the Janissaries/religious establishment for the latter. Selim III attempted to reform the military along French lines when he created the Nizam Jadid but got deposed by the Janissaries for it. Mehmed Ali in Egypt attempted the same reforms without the same sort of entrenched and powerful reactionaries to oppose him(his Albanian troops did initially but their threat was diffused) and he created an army that ran over the Ottoman army every time the two fought.
I agree somewhat with the general point about our society being too sexed up and that there's value in a sort of normative sexual standard where deviations are tolerated but more or less out of sight and in general where chastity is a little more valued. But I just wouldn't assign such weighty consequences to so called sexual degeneracy.
My dad passed on all the handyman skills to the eldest son and not me. The only handyman skills I developed were when he would ask me "hand me this" or "hand me that".
Nice catch phrase, but it is fallacious.Nothing says Alpha like being threatened by beta males.
I'm mostly German, with a little Swiss, and I've got a Batman-level jaw.
My bad, I misread.Well that's what I mean. Most Northern Europeans have a fierce jaw game... even the women.
It's not rampant and is extremely rare.
So if I bring up dead parents I can then beat you pillar to post while you sit in stunned shock?
I'm mostly German, with a little Swiss, and I've got a Batman-level jaw.
Batman is the GOAT superhero. You watch your fucking mouth, pal.So if I bring up dead parents I can then beat you pillar to post while you sit in stunned shock?
Fuck Batman.
Be quit, BetaNice catch phrase, but it is fallacious.
If their is a trend to buy chihuahas that yap all the time, and I am super annoying by this trend because these little shits yap at everybody all the time in the street, does it mean that I feel threatened by chihuahas ?
Batman and Superman two most boring IMPOBatman is the GOAT superhero. You watch your fucking mouth, pal.
Nice catch phrase, but it is fallacious.
If their is a trend to buy chihuahas that yap all the time, and I am super annoying by this trend because these little shits yap at everybody all the time in the street, does it mean that I feel threatened by chihuahas ?
LolwutWho hurt you?
lol @ trying to make your point using memes that do not represent reality. Whatever floats your boat. Also, blocked for a week for mocking Jeff Goldblum.