International Hiroshima was NOT a mistake

And yet Japan didn't surrender after the first bomb was dropped.
Doesn't matter.

Indiscriminately and intentionally murdering scores of Innocent civilians is morally repugnant and quite frankly, a waste of ammunition.

Military targets are fair game because it serves the purpose of changing the balance of power in a conflict.

Massacring civilian populations is unnecessary evil for evil's sake.
 
Japan was already defeated on all fronts. Surrender was imminent. Dropping the bombs was a show of force / deterrent for any potential enemies post war.

It was completely unnecessary and took more lives than it saved.
When do you think Japan was going to surrender?
 
Doesn't matter.

Indiscriminately and intentionally murdering scores of Innocent civilians is morally repugnant and quite frankly, a waste of ammunition.

Military targets are fair game because it serves the purpose of changing the balance of power in a conflict.

Massacring civilian populations is just plain evil for evil's sake.
150k civilians died during the battle of Okinawa that summer. Here's Oki on a map in comparison to the size of the main island (s):

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Japan was the Germany of the Pacific. They thought destroying the US fleet in the Pacific would make us bow down and let them take over South East Asia and the UK, Netherlands etc and we would just bend over and let them. We would just surrender because our fleet was destroyed and we feared their might. They were wrong. Blood on Tojo's hands and his Admiral for planning a mistake ridden attack.
 
The bomb could have been demonstrated instead of dropped on civilians... Japan didn't surrender because of the 100's of thousands killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they surrendered because of the fear that Tokyo was next.
Japan had no interest in surrendering at any point until the emperor made his first ever public appearance calling for an end to the war. Even the warmongers in charge couldn’t go against the emperor speaking to the public for the first time in history.
 
When do you think Japan was going to surrender?

When they became part of the USSR probably.

That was one of the main reasons US dropped the bomb. They wanted Japan to surrender to them, and not the Russians who would have invaded from the north.

Ultimately Japan was probably better off the way things turned out. Nations that had US help in post-war recovery certainly did better than those "helped" by the soviets.
 
When they became part of the USSR probably.

That was one of the main reasons US dropped the bomb. They wanted Japan to surrender to them, and not the Russians who would have invaded from the north.

Ultimately Japan was probably better off the way things turned out. Nations that had US help in post-war recovery certainly did better than those "helped" by the soviets.
It's very doubtful that the Russians would have been able to seriously gain a foothold in Japan with how minimal their sealift capabilities were, even after the US lent them ships. That was also months, if not closer to a year away. All at a time when Japan was entering famine.

It's also a pretty moot counterfactual since there is no reality where the US doesn't use bombs, whether it's strategically or tactically to break open beachheads after an invasion.
 
Doesn't matter.

Indiscriminately and intentionally murdering scores of Innocent civilians is morally repugnant and quite frankly, a waste of ammunition.

Military targets are fair game because it serves the purpose of changing the balance of power in a conflict.

Massacring civilian populations is unnecessary evil for evil's sake.

What if the civilians are making war materials?
 
this would one of those revisionist statements.
Ummm.... It's pretty much consensus among historians and scholars despite political leanings.


 
Watching 'Three Body Problem.' No spoilers:

Big expensive project is going on and one of the characters said something to the effect of 'the last time smart people got in the room and had unlimited funds, they gave us HIROSHIMA!'

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As if it's the big bad thing that all of humanity has done. You hear it quite frequently- with all the historical revisionism that's going on- that Hiroshima was some gigantic atrocity. It was not.

WWII was TOTAL WAR. None of us in our times of peace have any idea. And if the situation arose again, where the entire world was in play, are these soft headed historically ignorant people saying that we would not repeat the action to save potentially millions of lives-- even those of the enemy?

It's ridiculous.

An assault on Japan proper would likely have resulted in, depending on who you ask, an additional 3M to 30M casualties. It was the correct choice.
I don't hear a lot of talk that Hiroshima was the worst thing to happen to humanity. Heck, the fire bombing of Tokyo actually killed more people in one night than either of the two atomic bombs.

I would say what the US did to the people of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia was far worse. I mean we killed 3-4 million Vietnamese alone and tried to "bomb them into the Stone Age." There are still huge tracks of land in Laos that they can't use because of unexploded bombs we dropped.
 
Ummm.... It's pretty much consensus among historians and scholars despite political leanings.


There's no consensus among historians that Japan was about to surrender, and there were significant deal breakers between the US position and Japanese position in surrendering. Most of the stuff you're citing isn't actually contemporary evidence, and a lot of post-event hindsight.

Note that there were multiple coup attempts as soon as Japan announced it was surrendering.
 
The bomb could have been demonstrated instead of dropped on civilians... Japan didn't surrender because of the 100's of thousands killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they surrendered because of the fear that Tokyo was next.
it's a war, and that WAS the demonstration <lol>
 
Hiroshoma was debateable.
Nagasaki was just plain evil and unnecessary
the timing was off, not enough time was left to brew, a fight or flight moment, and in the middle of war, it's fight fight fight. Think of september 11 or some large terror attack. It takes a bit of time for the whole gravity of the situation to spread and soak into people's souls. Back then, they didnt even have internet, would have taken longer to fully comprehend.
 
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