Gonna get on the microphone down at Wal-Mart Talk about some sh** that's been on my mind

Bballfan123 said:
What you're saying is everyone acts like Game Theory now

The Economist actually wrote an article about this, basically women who act like hot whores are happier richer live longer and more successful than 'nice' people. Being attractive is literally more important than being nice. Thin Women have a ten times greater chance of being rich than fat women.

His paper shows “that an obese 43-year-old woman received a larger wage penalty in 2004 than she received at 20 in 1981,” and also that “an obese 20-year-old woman receives a larger wage penalty today than she would have in 1981 at age 20.”

Same for men, "bad" personality traits are in fact useful

To learn how these traits impact performance over time, the researchers surveyed salespeople at an insurance agency for 18 months. The survey collected data on the participants’ personalities (via self-rated statements like, “I tend to want others to admire me”), as well as monthly dollar earnings.

Over the short-term, both narcissism and psychopathy provide a performance advantage in comparison to non-dark peers. However, over time, this advantage wanes. Whereas psychopaths tend to settle for average performance, narcissists see lower than average performance in the long-run. Machiavellians, on the other hand, start slow but eventually perform better than average.

Life is more competitive in the West than it was 30 or 40 years ago. Maybe kind people are being "bred out" of the gene pool in favor of the new models?

Being nice is important but it's not gonna get you a date lolz
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OP: Blah blah Nixon, blah Johnson blah, blah blah Howard Stern
Gen Z: [Eyes glaze over]
Gen Z: Oh, uh, was that like during the civil war of 1771 or something? I heard about that in school. That time was a whole vibe man, no cap [Eyes look back down at his phone]
 
toasty said:
No what I'm shooting for is start to trust people a little more and fight against giving in to cynical surrendering. Plus I just thought is was a fun intellectual exercise to see who I could blame while never once admitting that this generation might not be the suckiest suckholes in sucking history. Find it funny nobody has jumped in yet to defend them.

There was is philosophically saying that goes something like "What a country glorifies it eventually becomes"

@Fluffernutter was hitting upon that in their reply, though they failed to give me a sacrificial scapegoat to blame for our rewarding sports over academic achievement. A nice "I blame Rosalyn Carter or Nancy Reagan" (there is that darn misogyny again) added to the end of that post would've made it so much better...

i think we've gone from glorifying great people doing great things to advance science like Madame Curie, or help people like Mother Teresa (trying to lessen my misogyny here not sure why since sherdog is 99.9% sausage) and gone on to glorifying people who "give no fuck, they take as much as they want" and that needs to shift.

Think about humans, we're baby piss weak when you put us on naked and afraid compared to just about everything out there that crawls, creeps, stalks, envenomnates (is that a word?), chomps, chews, claw, or stings. So how the fuck are we doing sitting on the top of the heap in this crazy mma match that is called life? IT IS BECAUSE WE HELPED EACH OTHER AND SACRIFICED FOR THE GOOD OF THE TRIBE.
lose that ideal and the cockroaches win.
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I'll defend them. People are people at all times, and there has never been a better time to be alive than now for a lot of reasons. Cultural trends always annoy some people, though that's nothing new either. Some vices have become more common, some have become less common, and the same with virtues. The world keeps turning. One negative change is that as society gets richer, people have more free time and less need to lean on each other, which means they have to actively find meaning, and that leads to more depression (and not to diminish the suffering involved in it, but it's a disease of luxury).
 
White Whale said:
Jon Stewart deserves a lot of blame. He is a major reason civil dialogue can't be had from different political perspectives.
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Stewart didn't have clear beliefs that he was comfortable expressing about politics (and the fear that people have of taking a stand long predates him), but he did push for more civil dialogue. If you want to blame an entertainer for the tone of political discussions, Limbaugh would the obvious person, but I think if it weren't him getting rich off spreading hatred, it would have been someone else. Technological changes made that kind of thing inevitable.
 
Jack V Savage said:
I'll defend them. People are people at all times, and there has never been a better time to be alive than now for a lot of reasons. Cultural trends always annoy some people, though that's nothing new either. Some vices have become more common, some have become less common, and the same with virtues. The world keeps turning. One negative change is that as society gets richer, people have more free time and less need to lean on each other, which means they have to actively find meaning, and that leads to more depression (and not to diminish the suffering involved in it, but it's a disease of luxury).
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Hmm. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter

All kidding aside I have appreciated your well though out responses and mostly agree that people are people and that the amount of good v bad people is probably pretty constant throughout history.......BUT, for Americans, growing up in relative wealth compared to many other countries, access to the technological advancements of these times, and mostly the coddling by my generation, has created a fairly pervasive culture of navel gazing, emotionally fragile, secluded, and unambtious, helpless, childlike men and women

We, who grew up with, more peer to peer interactions, The concepts of shame and guilt, the possibility of emotional pain from bullying and/or the threat of being ostracized if you were "different, more emotionally detached parents, and a culture that pushed "earning your own way", "keeping your smart mouth shut" and "that there are consequences for your actions."

Have tried to shield our little baby-childs from the harsh realities that 99.9999999999999% of people aren't special, that life has thorns, claws, and stingers and you will eventually feel some pain, and that if they want something, well that ='s they need that something, and we will get them that something even if we can't afford to do so.

I have multiple examples in my own and extended family of kids who idly sit by watching their parents work, both career-wise and around the house & yard, while they sit around wondering what they should get from doordash and what time the uber driver should show up so they can go waste money on themselves. And parents that don't try to change this approach but enable the shit out of it..

I also have on-boarded a ton of young kids into their first real job, and watched their little doe eyes get all wide and frightened when they realize they have to work for money.

Seems to me a very high % of people from most prior generations took it for granted that they would have to help their family around the house and that when they came of age, or even before that, they would have to work and kick in to the family coffers.

Seems to me a very high % of this generation is absolutely gobsmacked when that reality hits them and immediately seek mood altering drugs, legal and non, to cope.
 
toasty said:
Your generation sucks but it is not your fault. As you well know, because my generation taught you that. But this will not be another old man ranting about the kids on his lawn thread. In this thread I will assign blame to certain individuals for why you and your entire generation suck.

1st we go with Lyndon Johnson & Richard Nixon- their jab cross combination of lying about Vietnam and the Watergate scandal, added with the not their fault because they didn't want to get shot assassination combination of 2 Kennedys and MLK, pretty much ruined the belief that politicians had control, let alone your best interests at heart. The deaths of those 3 coupled with the media exposing the corruption they used to hide in simpler times, lead to a massive amount cynicism about politics.

Cynicism is the devil's sugar, it makes you feel good for a short while but leads to catastrophic problems because you don't try to change shit, you just let it fester with the "Oh well I'll probably get hit by a bus anyway" approach to life. This has slowly lead to an acceptance of political behavior and scandals that now make watergate look like a sissy tickle fight BUT those leaders stay in place and remain popular. Hell it took a miracle to get George Santos out and that guy was a fricking psycho.

2nd I blame Howard Stern- Much as I loved his show, Howard taught us a few really bad lessons. One do stupid crazy shit and we will celebrate you. Two never apologize. Three kicking people that are down in the case of celebrities and people caught up in scandals can be massively profitable. Four have no shame about talking about shit that should remain private. Now I watch people film themselves doing stupid dangerous criminal shit and posting it. not apologizing or having shame when caught for doing said shit. Celebrating other people's misery instead of trying to help them. And trying to monetize all of the above. If you listen to him now, you can hear that he realizes he did damage and is trying to absolve himself or seek absolution from others.

3rd the movie Wall Street & various rappers of the mid 80's. These two things promoted the Greed is Good, I got mine and fuck you if you need help, Get rich or die trying. approach to life that has blossomed into internet "influencers" getting paid millions to pose with fancy cars, a fuck you duck lips your beneath me mug and Richard Mille watches, as if this should be your only goals in life and zillions of followers believe that hollow shit.

I've met two major "influencers" and a ton of want to be "fluers" and the two I dealt with are two of the biggest pieces of shit I've ever know......So yeah, the 1970's hippies were wrong with that whole we don't have to work thing, but their goal of a peaceful loving society was better than the media corporate bullshit buy buy buy he who dies with the most toys consumerism pushed forth during crack and cocaine's run as our favorite drugs. listen to Imagine by Lenon, it is all in there except the lines Imagine we all work hard, and pay for all our needs......if he had added that, our world might be so very much better.

4th- This one is a little more nebulous but I'm going to go with Paris Hilton or maybe Jessica Simpson or it could be Anna Nicole Smith. Who I'm really searching for here, is the first "Scandalebrity" Maybe I'm being misogynistic but I feel it has to be a woman because both genders of your generation suck and one of these, or some other talentless woman who I'm forgetting taught an awful lot of young girls that to dress slutty, have lots of money, show little to know sign of intelligence, and get caught up in scandals was the ticket to success. We should've been teach Y'all to be like Lisa Simpson not Jessica, but we taught you sex tapes and vapidity = fame and Voila I got something called the Kardashians.

5th- I'm going to go with OJ. OJ taught us that fame allows you to get away with murder and the ensuing trial degraded our belief in both the justice system and the police.

6th- Steve Jobs- Gotta love what he did for us but even with his brilliance, I don't think he conceptualized giving every tween a camera and video recorder in their pocket would lead to the levels of absolute self absorption that leads to people walking off cliffs and getting hit by trains trying to take a picture of themselves to get more likes on Insta-Tok. you generation has its their heads stuck up their apps and no that is not a misspelling.

So I'm curious who Y'all blame for your generation being the worst ever on the planet? But remember it is not your fault, nothing ever is or ever will be.

Special thanks to Ben Folds Five, (@no fat chicks for his post in the job quitting thread that reminded me of the song All you can eat) suicidal tendecies, John Lenon and 50 Cent)
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Ben Folds Five suck arse, that's all I've got to contribute
 
With these 2 Sherdog appropriate anthems I refute you Sir!


and


This one is way less Sherdoggy and definitely not War-roomy but more Mayberryish but also a great song-



And Vitor ended Tank May / 30 / 1997 so I guess he wasn't 4Eva.
 
toasty said:
Your generation sucks but it is not your fault. As you well know, because my generation taught you that. But this will not be another old man ranting about the kids on his lawn thread. In this thread I will assign blame to certain individuals for why you and your entire generation suck.

1st we go with Lyndon Johnson & Richard Nixon- their jab cross combination of lying about Vietnam and the Watergate scandal, added with the not their fault because they didn't want to get shot assassination combination of 2 Kennedys and MLK, pretty much ruined the belief that politicians had control, let alone your best interests at heart. The deaths of those 3 coupled with the media exposing the corruption they used to hide in simpler times, lead to a massive amount cynicism about politics.

Cynicism is the devil's sugar, it makes you feel good for a short while but leads to catastrophic problems because you don't try to change shit, you just let it fester with the "Oh well I'll probably get hit by a bus anyway" approach to life. This has slowly lead to an acceptance of political behavior and scandals that now make watergate look like a sissy tickle fight BUT those leaders stay in place and remain popular. Hell it took a miracle to get George Santos out and that guy was a fricking psycho.

2nd I blame Howard Stern- Much as I loved his show, Howard taught us a few really bad lessons. One do stupid crazy shit and we will celebrate you. Two never apologize. Three kicking people that are down in the case of celebrities and people caught up in scandals can be massively profitable. Four have no shame about talking about shit that should remain private. Now I watch people film themselves doing stupid dangerous criminal shit and posting it. not apologizing or having shame when caught for doing said shit. Celebrating other people's misery instead of trying to help them. And trying to monetize all of the above. If you listen to him now, you can hear that he realizes he did damage and is trying to absolve himself or seek absolution from others.

3rd the movie Wall Street & various rappers of the mid 80's. These two things promoted the Greed is Good, I got mine and fuck you if you need help, Get rich or die trying. approach to life that has blossomed into internet "influencers" getting paid millions to pose with fancy cars, a fuck you duck lips your beneath me mug and Richard Mille watches, as if this should be your only goals in life and zillions of followers believe that hollow shit.

I've met two major "influencers" and a ton of want to be "fluers" and the two I dealt with are two of the biggest pieces of shit I've ever know......So yeah, the 1970's hippies were wrong with that whole we don't have to work thing, but their goal of a peaceful loving society was better than the media corporate bullshit buy buy buy he who dies with the most toys consumerism pushed forth during crack and cocaine's run as our favorite drugs. listen to Imagine by Lenon, it is all in there except the lines Imagine we all work hard, and pay for all our needs......if he had added that, our world might be so very much better.

4th- This one is a little more nebulous but I'm going to go with Paris Hilton or maybe Jessica Simpson or it could be Anna Nicole Smith. Who I'm really searching for here, is the first "Scandalebrity" Maybe I'm being misogynistic but I feel it has to be a woman because both genders of your generation suck and one of these, or some other talentless woman who I'm forgetting taught an awful lot of young girls that to dress slutty, have lots of money, show little to know sign of intelligence, and get caught up in scandals was the ticket to success. We should've been teach Y'all to be like Lisa Simpson not Jessica, but we taught you sex tapes and vapidity = fame and Voila I got something called the Kardashians.

5th- I'm going to go with OJ. OJ taught us that fame allows you to get away with murder and the ensuing trial degraded our belief in both the justice system and the police.

6th- Steve Jobs- Gotta love what he did for us but even with his brilliance, I don't think he conceptualized giving every tween a camera and video recorder in their pocket would lead to the levels of absolute self absorption that leads to people walking off cliffs and getting hit by trains trying to take a picture of themselves to get more likes on Insta-Tok. you generation has its their heads stuck up their apps and no that is not a misspelling.

So I'm curious who Y'all blame for your generation being the worst ever on the planet? But remember it is not your fault, nothing ever is or ever will be.

Special thanks to Ben Folds Five, (@no fat chicks for his post in the job quitting thread that reminded me of the song All you can eat) suicidal tendecies, John Lenon and 50 Cent)
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toasty said:
I'm not crazy - institution
You're the one who's crazy - institution
You're driving me crazy - institution
They stuck me in an institution
Said it was the only solution
To give me the needed professional help
To protect me from the enemy - myself
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All I wanted was a Pepsi!
 
toasty said:
Hmm. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter

All kidding aside I have appreciated your well though out responses and mostly agree that people are people and that the amount of good v bad people is probably pretty constant throughout history.......BUT, for Americans, growing up in relative wealth compared to many other countries, access to the technological advancements of these times, and mostly the coddling by my generation, has created a fairly pervasive culture of navel gazing, emotionally fragile, secluded, and unambtious, helpless, childlike men and women
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Yeah, but even that is something that is pretty consistent. Here's Orwell from a book published in 1937 about that sentiment:

So long as the machine is there, one is under an obligation to use it. No one draws water from the well when he can turn on the tap … Deliberately to revert to primitive methods, to use archaic tools, to put silly difficulties in your own way, would be a piece of dilettantism, of pretty-pretty arty and craftiness. It would be like solemnly sitting down to eat your dinner with stone implements. Revert to handwork in a machine age, and you are back in Ye Old Tea Shoppe or the Tudor villa with the sham beams tacked to the wall.
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Things are getting better, and we're kind of nostalgic for a time when they were hard and we had to struggle to get through. I don't think there's any fault in being comfortable, and I think that when called on to show strength, people retain the capacity. Note that this is something Southerners said about the North before the Civil War, and we know how that went.

toasty said:
We, who grew up with, more peer to peer interactions, The concepts of shame and guilt, the possibility of emotional pain from bullying and/or the threat of being ostracized if you were "different, more emotionally detached parents, and a culture that pushed "earning your own way", "keeping your smart mouth shut" and "that there are consequences for your actions."
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But the concept of shame (as opposed to embarrassment) is more of a developing-world thing. A society that is ordered around it tends to be one that is less dynamic and poorer. So it's kind of another thing that illustrates why your concerns are not unfounded but are about sort of the downside of progress. It's true that there are downsides to overall improvements, but I think all things considered, it's better to be richer, and I don't think moralizing about it really helps. There's no problem with complaining either (as inevitable as changes related to improved material conditions, IMO), but I think for your own sake, I think it's better to resolve your concerns with understanding than to feel constant discomfort about things you can't fix. At the same time, yeah, people are better off if they appreciate that happiness and general comfort are necessarily temporary conditions. Our bodies telling us we don't have any injuries to attend to, we don't need to eat, we don't need to sleep, we don't need to rest, there's no threat nearby, etc.--but discomfort and pain are things we've evolved for good reasons and good mental and physical health requires those experiences because they lead to us to take needed actions.
 
Jack V Savage said:
Yeah, but even that is something that is pretty consistent. Here's Orwell from a book published in 1937 about that sentiment:



Things are getting better, and we're kind of nostalgic for a time when they were hard and we had to struggle to get through. I don't think there's any fault in being comfortable, and I think that when called on to show strength, people retain the capacity. Note that this is something Southerners said about the North before the Civil War, and we know how that went.


But the concept of shame (as opposed to embarrassment) is more of a developing-world thing. A society that is ordered around it tends to be one that is less dynamic and poorer. So it's kind of another thing that illustrates why your concerns are not unfounded but are about sort of the downside of progress. It's true that there are downsides to overall improvements, but I think all things considered, it's better to be richer, and I don't think moralizing about it really helps. There's no problem with complaining either (as inevitable as changes related to improved material conditions, IMO), but I think for your own sake, I think it's better to resolve your concerns with understanding than to feel constant discomfort about things you can't fix. At the same time, yeah, people are better off if they appreciate that happiness and general comfort are necessarily temporary conditions. Our bodies telling us we don't have any injuries to attend to, we don't need to eat, we don't need to sleep, we don't need to rest, there's no threat nearby, etc.--but discomfort and pain are things we've evolved for good reasons and good mental and physical health requires those experiences because they lead to us to take needed actions.
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I think we're starting to come to a fairly basic level of agreement but if you are gonna toss Orwell at me....i will fire back with a double barrel blast of Abbey

“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.”
&

“A man on foot, on horseback or on a bicycle will see more, feel more, enjoy more in one mile than the motorized tourists can in a hundred miles.”

― Edward Abbey

and finish you off with some LL Cool J-

Blauh! How ya like me now?

Toasty "Gangsta Boogie" Rabbit
 
toasty said:
I think we're starting to come to a fairly basic level of agreement but if you are gonna toss Orwell at me....i will fire back with a double barrel blast of Abbey

“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.”
&

“A man on foot, on horseback or on a bicycle will see more, feel more, enjoy more in one mile than the motorized tourists can in a hundred miles.”

― Edward Abbey

and finish you off with some LL Cool J-

Blauh! How ya like me now?

Toasty "Gangsta Boogie" Rabbit
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"Edward Abbey was a kook"

― Jack V. Savage
 
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