Finally remembered why Ngannou vs Overeem felt like dejavu

[number 9]

i was thinking it was more similar to JDS vs Gilbert Yvel

didnt reem ko'd jds with a similar punch he got ko'd with by ngannou?

 

[20falarVerdades]

Tyson would rearrange Ngannou's facial structure

 

[Quiver]

Tyson's uppercut was very technical, precise and tight.

Ngannou flung something straight from the Kongo. It was brutal and wild as fuck. Also dare I say, more damaging. As soon as it connected on Reem his soul lifted.

 

[Final Say]

How do you figure? Overeem actually moved in to throw and land a left shift hook pretty intelligently, with his head off-centre and more or less as far as possible from N'Gannou's dominant hand.

It's simply not possible to move in and throw offence without opening yourself to some danger; the fact N'Gannou was able to eat Reem's shot and KO him with a lead uppercut off his non-dominant hand speaks more to N'Gannou's physical attributes than Overeem's strike – which landed clean – being “bullshit”.

im talking about reems hands being below his waist with both hands, he had no defense. of course youre always risking something, but he did so with noooooo kind of plan at all for incoming punches.

 

[shortlefthook]

im talking about reems hands being below his waist with both hands, he had no defense. of course youre always risking something, but he did so with noooooo kind of plan at all for incoming punches.

Yeah and that left hook was thrown like complete shit, you can see how tense and scared overeem is when he throws that left. it lands with absolutely no pop.
Overeem does not close distance well using punches imo, especially against a taller fighter it's just not his strong suit

 

[Roukas]

Scary how Ngannou Punch looks way more powerful then even TYSON... holy fucking shit

 

[Prince Nephilim]

For a fraction of a second.... I swear I can see Reem's soul uppercutted out of his body

 

[Seaside]

almost. Reems head movement was faster. Almost like his head anticipated that upercut.

it was moving away on its own already

 

[BNC]

But Ribalta got up and went 10 rounds

 

[YukisHeart]

im talking about reems hands being below his waist with both hands, he had no defense. of course youre always risking something, but he did so with noooooo kind of plan at all for incoming punches.

Yeah and that left hook was thrown like complete shit, you can see how tense and scared overeem is when he throws that left. it lands with absolutely no pop.
Overeem does not close distance well using punches imo, especially against a taller fighter it's just not his strong suit

This really is keyboard warrior shite. Defence against incoming punches was built into Overeem's shot: his head was off-centre and well out of range for a rear-hand counter from N'Gannou's dominant side, and if N'Gannou had gotten out of the way Overeem's chin would have been protected by his left arm and shoulder coming across in front of him.

What cracked him was a lead uppercut from N'Gannou's non-dominant powered pretty much by shoulder whirl alone – a low-percentage shot most people can't generate much power with – after his own shot landed first.

Reem's shot might not have been a beautiful, Jack Dempsey style tight left hook, but it did land, and to say it landed with “no pop” is bullshit, or it wouldn't have folded N'Gannou's neck over. (If you think N'Gannou planned to let Overeem land a heavy shot behind his ear, eat it, and get him on the counter, you're retarded.)

Nelson landed a similar left in a similar clothesline fashion left on Kongo less cleanly than Overeem and put him down:

It's ugly, but it's legitimate – Bas Rutten explains the shot in a bit more detail here:



Overeem was a victim of bad luck more than anything, here. It's not possibly to go in on a 260+ lbs heavyweight known for brutal power without taking some risks; he minimised his by throwing a shot which kept him as far out of the way of N'Gannou's power as possible, and he connected.

If N'Gannou had gone he down, you would be scoffing about how he was another Sokodjou overhyped from one name win over an Arlovski who looks to be on his way out of the sport – but because he took the shot and landed a low-percentage counter, you scoff at a K-1 winner's striking offence like he's some scrub.

Yes, Overeem's right hand was out of position to perfectly defend against a lead left uppercut in the split second after he landed a power shot on his opponent. Strap on a pair of gloves and spar sometime; people aren't robots and it happens.

For example, you're all getting sweaty palms praising up Tyson, but look at his hand position here:

Better yet, check out Buster Douglas's hand position while he was en route to knocking out Prime Tyson back in the day:

“Why is his right down by his waist?!”

“He's wide open to a counter right!”

“Douglas needs to go back to beginners’ class, his offence is complete shit!”

 

[DWAYNEAMERICA]

Two hype jobs knocking out has-beens/bums?

Yep...I see it

 

[shortlefthook]

This really is keyboard warrior shite. Defence against incoming punches was built into Overeem's shot; his head was off-centre and well out of range for a rear-hand counter from N'Gannou's dominant side.

What cracked him was a wild lead uppercut from N'Gannou's non-dominant side powered pretty much by shoulder whirl alone; a low-percentage shot most people can't generate much power with.

Also, Reem's own shot might not have been a beautiful, Jack Dempsey style tight left hook, but it landed, and to say it landed with “no pop” is bullshit, or it wouldn't have folded N'Gannou's neck over.

Nelson landed a similar left in a similar clothesline fashion left on Kongo less cleanly than Overeem and put him down:

It's ugly, but it's legitimate – Bas Rutten explains the shot in a bit more detail here:



Overeem was a victim of bad luck more than anything, here. It's not possibly to go in on a 260+ lbs heavyweight known for brutal power without taking some risks; he minimised his by throwing a shot which kept him as far out of the way of N'Gannou's power as possible, and he connected.

If N'Gannou had gone he down, you would be scoffing about how he was another Sokodjou overhyped from one name win over an Arlovski who looks to be on his way out of the sport – but because he took the shot and landed a low-percentage counter, you scoff at a K-1 winner's striking offence like he's some scrub.

Yes, Overeem's right hand was out of position to perfectly defend against a lead left uppercut in the split second after he landed a power shot on his opponent. Strap on a pair of gloves and spar sometime; people aren't robots and it happens.

For example, you're all getting sweaty palms praising up Tyson, but look at his hand position here:

Better yet, check out Buster Douglas's hand position while he was en route to knocking out Prime Tyson back in the day:

“Why is his right down by his waist?!”

“He's wide open to a counter right!”

“Douglas needs to go back to beginners’ class, his offence is complete shit!”

I'm not even going to read all that bud, but just look at overeems body position after his left hook is thrown, there's zero structure to it, he had no base he was leaned over and forced to return back to his base and got caught before he could return, which is why the reaction was so volient, he wasn't underneath his feet regardless what you say, and his arm was completely straight when it landed look at the fucking gif, don't try to defend that bullshit

Edit after reading some you claim defense was built into that punch but your clearly not analyzing the exchange your head needs to be off the center line from the hips and knees overeem bent from the back and left his feet behind him, so when he landed that bullshit hook he was off balance look at the exchange bud he's completely square after the hook because he's forced to regain balance because he never had it to begin with.
It's called being knowledgeable of the fight game, no fighter is perfect including tyson, there's nothing wrong with pointing out the obvious technical errors

 

[YukisHeart]

I'm not even going to read all that bud, but just look at overeems body position after his left hook is thrown, there's zero structure to it, he had no base he was leaned over and forced to return back to his base and got caught before he could return, which is why the reaction was so volient, he wasn't underneath his feet regardless what you say, and his arm was completely straight when it landed look at the fucking gif, don't try to defend that bullshit

“He wasn't underneath his feet”

In all seriousness, do you spar? Have you ever?

“LOL look how straight Overeem's arm is when he throws that left, turn that scrubs TKO win over to a loss plz”

 

[shortlefthook]

“He wasn't underneath his feet”

In all seriousness, do you spar? Have you ever?

“LOL look how straight Overeem's arm is when he throws that left, turn that scrubs TKO win over to a loss plz”

Lol I train at Att you idiot.
What's your point ever seen a street fight ko? You don't need good textbook technique to ko someone moron so what's your point dodo brain?

Yeah look at overeem in that jds gif at least his feet are beneath him, still a sloppy exchange, there's nothing wrong with pointing out technical errors in fighters especially analyzing what errors led to the ko.

You sound like pencil neck "scrub"

 

[HaulParris]

Get off Francis Dick now!!!!
Did you not get the memo ??

It's worship Ortega week now

Fuck sake TS

It’s a weird time when the Perry fight is still a week away, and the Ngannou and Ortega hype trains are kind of competing for attention.

 

[YukisHeart]

Yeah look at overeem in that jds gif at least his feet are beneath him, still a sloppy exchange, there's nothing wrong with pointing out technical errors in fighters especially analyzing what errors led to the ko.

Overeem feinted with the right, stepped in and landed clean with the left – so how was it bad technique? Because it didn't knock Francis out?

The line about his feet not being under him is moonshine bollocks, and so is this idea that fighters' hands never get out of place while they're throwing power shots. It's part of striking; if it wasn't you would never see counters at the elite level.

You sound like pencil neck "scrub"

Pic of me with Josh Barnett:

 

[Final Say]

This really is keyboard warrior shite. Defence against incoming punches was built into Overeem's shot: his head was off-centre and well out of range for a rear-hand counter from N'Gannou's dominant side, and if N'Gannou had gotten out of the way Overeem's chin would have been protected by his left arm and shoulder coming across in front of him.

What cracked him was a lead uppercut from N'Gannou's non-dominant powered pretty much by shoulder whirl alone – a low-percentage shot most people can't generate much power with – after his own shot landed first.

Reem's shot might not have been a beautiful, Jack Dempsey style tight left hook, but it did land, and to say it landed with “no pop” is bullshit, or it wouldn't have folded N'Gannou's neck over. (If you think N'Gannou planned to let Overeem land a heavy shot behind his ear, eat it, and get him on the counter, you're retarded.)

Nelson landed a similar left in a similar clothesline fashion left on Kongo less cleanly than Overeem and put him down:

It's ugly, but it's legitimate – Bas Rutten explains the shot in a bit more detail here:



Overeem was a victim of bad luck more than anything, here. It's not possibly to go in on a 260+ lbs heavyweight known for brutal power without taking some risks; he minimised his by throwing a shot which kept him as far out of the way of N'Gannou's power as possible, and he connected.

If N'Gannou had gone he down, you would be scoffing about how he was another Sokodjou overhyped from one name win over an Arlovski who looks to be on his way out of the sport – but because he took the shot and landed a low-percentage counter, you scoff at a K-1 winner's striking offence like he's some scrub.

Yes, Overeem's right hand was out of position to perfectly defend against a lead left uppercut in the split second after he landed a power shot on his opponent. Strap on a pair of gloves and spar sometime; people aren't robots and it happens.

For example, you're all getting sweaty palms praising up Tyson, but look at his hand position here:

Better yet, check out Buster Douglas's hand position while he was en route to knocking out Prime Tyson back in the day:

“Why is his right down by his waist?!”

“He's wide open to a counter right!”

“Douglas needs to go back to beginners’ class, his offence is complete shit!”

the defense was trash, he ran into the pocket, into the punch and you should never compare overeems hands to any pro boxer

 

[DWAYNEAMERICA]

Lol I train at Att you idiot.
What's your point ever seen a street fight ko? You don't need good textbook technique to ko someone moron so what's your point dodo brain?

Yeah look at overeem in that jds gif at least his feet are beneath him, still a sloppy exchange, there's nothing wrong with pointing out technical errors in fighters especially analyzing what errors led to the ko.

You sound like pencil neck "scrub"

You should know better than posting shit like this.

Talking to and humiliating bitch slapping imminent.

 

[shortlefthook]

Overeem feinted with the right, stepped in and landed clean with the left – so how was it bad technique? Because it didn't knock Francis out?

The line about his feet not being under him is moonshine bollocks, and so is this idea that fighters' hands never get out of place while they're throwing power shots. It's part of striking; if it wasn't you would never see counters at the elite level.



Pic of me with Josh Barnett:

So in your mind there is absolutely nothing wrong with how overeem went about that whole exchange?

I simply disagree and I would be willing to bet allistar himself is not happy about how that was executed, every fighter makes mistakes, cause every human makes mistakes and sometimes those same very mistakes and habits win you fights, hindsight is always 20/20.
I don't get why your getting rustled because we're pointing out OBVIOUS technical holes that left him open for the ko, I never claimed allistar was a novice.
But factually his feet was left behind him STUCK and planted because he bent at the waste and timidly threw a hook.
Look at nganouu he easily adjust his feet around allistar, you can clearly see how Alistair was out of Position..
Allistar himself would agree he was out of Position I don't get what your problem with pointing that out is.

And whats that pic supposed to prove anybody can take pics with fighters at a expo of all places, overeems boxing defense is poor this is pretty well known don't get why you're mad.

 

[shortlefthook]

You should know better than posting shit like this.

Talking to and humiliating bitch slapping imminent.

Why's that? From you, come by 305 baby