Fall of USA - is it finally happening ?

[Fanu]

lets take a look at stats that back this up:

http://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-39672093

According to a pair of studies published by two Princeton economists, Anne Case and Sir Angus Deaton, middle-aged white Americans are dying at a higher rate than black and Hispanic Americans.

"We found that about 50% of the increase is due to opioid drug use... for overdose deaths. The other half is really due to an increase in cardiovascular disease and also due to an increase in diseases related to smoking and overeating and drinking," she said

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/25/technology/tech-versus-taboos-addiction/index.html

In fact, there are 22.7 million Americans who need treatment for drug and alcohol related issues, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/ng-interactive/2016/may/25/opioid-epidemic-overdose-deaths-map


so you've got a nation of addicts (addicted to pain killers and other prescription medicine +hard drugs like heroin)


and you've got worlds most expensive healthcare (that apparently does little to help)

http://dpeaflcio.org/programs-publi...lth-care-system-an-international-perspective/

Prohibitively high cost is the primary reason Americans give for problems accessing health care. Americans with below-average incomes are much more likely than their counterparts in other countries to report not: visiting a physician when sick; getting a recommended test, treatment, or follow-up care; filling a prescription; and seeing a dentist.[9] Fifty-nine percent of physicians in the U.S. acknowledge their patients have difficulty paying for care.[10] In 2013, 31 percent of uninsured adults reported not getting or delaying medical care because of cost, compared to five percent of privately insured adults and 27 percent of those on public insurance, including Medicaid/CHIP and Medicare

then there is increasing poverty and reduction of middle class

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...trump-mit-economist-peter-temin-a7694726.html

The economist describes a two-track economy with on the one hand 20 per cent of the population that is educated and enjoys good jobs and supportive social networks.

On the other hand, the remaining 80 per cent, he said, are part of the US’ low-wage sector, where the world of possibility has shrunk and people are burdened with debts and anxious about job security.

Commenting on Mr Temin’s findings, Lynn Parramore, senior research analyst at the Institute for New Economic Thinking, writes: “Without a robust middle class, America is not only reverting to developing-country status, it is increasingly ripe for serious social turmoil that has not been seen in generations.”

and your infrastructure is deteriorating

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/09/engineers-give-americas-infrastructure-a-near-failing-grade.html

Since 1998, grades have been near failing and averaging only Ds, due to "delayed maintenance" and "under investment across most categories," the engineers said.

and corporate tax evasion is at an all time high

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ho...-america-and-the-rest-of-the-world-2016-04-14

The data showed the companies in the study earned $4 trillion in profits in the period and paid $1 trillion in taxes globally, $412 billion of which was directed to the U.S. That gave them an effective tax rate of just 26.5%, as compared with the U.S. corporate tax rate of 35% and the 27.7% rate paid — on average, by Oxfam’s calculation — in other developed countries.

At the same time, those companies spent $2.6 billion on lobbying and received nearly $11.2 trillion in federal support in the shape of loans, loan guarantees or bailouts. They used a network of more than 1,600 disclosed tax-haven subsidiaries to place about $1.4 trillion of cash offshore (and may have many more such companies that they are not obliged to disclose).

not to mention bi-partisan politics focused on class/race divisions/inequality further dividing the nation (also apparent here on sherdog with explosion of race/immigrant threads in last 2 or so years)


http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2016...nequality-blacks-and-whites-are-worlds-apart/

An overwhelming majority of blacks (88%) say the country needs to continue making changes for blacks to have equal rights with whites, but 43% are skeptical that such changes will ever occur. An additional 42% of blacks believe that the country will eventually make the changes needed for blacks to have equal rights with whites, and just 8% say the country has already made the necessary changes.

A much lower share of whites (53%) say the country still has work to do for blacks to achieve equal rights with whites, and only 11% express doubt that these changes will come. Four-in-ten whites believe the country will eventually make the changes needed for blacks to have equal rights, and about the same share (38%) say enough changes have already been made.

+ military budget and expenditures that is out of control

https://qz.com/935663/trumps-increa...most-as-big-as-russias-entire-defense-budget/

so is US fall imminent ? some already say China is at the top
whats your view on it ?

 

[HereticBD]

No.

 

[Fanu]

No.

all the data points to yes

tnx for your sarcastic "input" on the matter.

 

[nostradumbass]

The left is trying their damnedest, but it's still fine for anybody who actually makes an effort.

Of course there is an increase in poverty when almost 10% of the population is imported poverty from other countries. Our poverty isn't that bad anyway, and some of our "disappearing middle class" has move upward. Almost our entire country is middle class or above by global standards.

I don't know what to tell you about the drug abuse thing. I've gotten it from libertarian's and leftists several times this week who all say drugs are awesome and nobody should do anything to stop it.

The victim olympics rages on, and seems to be as bad or worse than ever not just despite having voted in a black president twice in a row, but in large part because we had 8 years of him throwing gasoline on the fire and giving speeches about "not caring about people who don't look like you", and "that could have been my son" and mainstreaming race-baiting. Socially, the country is a bloody disaster right now in certain places, not really any problem in others.

Overall though, just avoid "activists" and SJWs, graduate school, read, work hard, don't have illegitimate kids or do drugs, take care of your family, and it's still about as good a place as you can hope for. A rapidly increasing number of people don't do those things, so fucking up and expecting strangers to take care of your problems for you has become more common. You can tell by the demands during protests that people here have it pretty good, and have now moved on to demanding special treatment for their group. "We want free tampons", "we want birth control and abortion", "we want special racially divided dorms, groups, awards, scholarships, police departments", "We only want to follow certain laws".

 

[Space]

The left is trying their damnedest, but it's still fine for anybody who actually makes an effort.

Of course there is an increase in poverty when almost 10% of the population is imported poverty from other countries.

I don't know what to tell you about the drug abuse thing. I've gotten it from libertarian's and leftists several times this week who all say drugs are awesome and nobody should do anything to stop it.

The victim olympics rages on, and seems to be as bad or worse than ever not just despite having voted in a black president twice in a row, but in large part because we had 8 years of him throwing gasoline on the fire and giving speeches about "not caring about people who don't look like you", and "that could have been my son" and mainstreaming race-baiting. Socially, the country is a bloody disaster right now in certain places.

Overall though, just avoid "activists" and SJWs, graduate school, read, work hard, don't have illegitimate kids or do drugs, take care of your family, and it's still about as good a place as you can hope for. A rapidly increasing number of people don't do those things, so fucking up and expecting strangers to take care of your problems for you has become more common.

Of course there is the female situation in the US, which is largely very dire.

 

[MMA IAN]

Yes

 

[M3t4tr0n]

Just wait till the zombie hordes arrive. It's all down hill from there.

 

[Ruprecht]

In terms of the brief window of the US being a unipolar superpower? Absolutely.

 

[Fanu]

The left is trying their damnedest, but it's still fine for anybody who actually makes an effort.

blaming the left in your first sentence proves my point that bi-partisan politics focused on class/race divisions/inequality are further dividing/deteriorating the nation

 

[HereticBD]

all the data points to yes

In what way though? How does middle aged white America dying at a higher rate than normal, point to the "fall of America"?

Why does big investment in the military point to the "fall of America"?

Some issues are valid, but your thread title is just a tad hyperbolic. America is, and will be just fine.

 

[Fanu]

In what way though? How does middle aged white America dying at a higher rate than normal, point to the "fall of America"?

well, you arent dying at a lower rate? number of diseases and addictions is constantly increasing for over a decade

Why does big investment in the military point to the "fall of America"?

because biggest military expenditure out of all nations in the world, did fuck all for quality of life in US? + it only made your reputation around the world worse
military sector is profiting but only at the very top and number of war veterans in need of healthcare is increasing creating additional burden to the government expenditures

Some issues are valid, but your thread title is just a tad hyperbolic. America is, and will be just fine.

you have an increasingly sick population, government is hot bed of corruption, you house the biggest corporations in the world but none of that money is pumped back into the government and you are divided over race issues bringing the tensions to an all time high

 

[HereticBD]

you have an increasingly sick population, government is hot bed of corruption, you house the biggest corporations in the world but none of that money is pumped back into the government and you are divided over race issues bringing the tensions to an all time high

Government corruption? The hell you say. What a new phenomenon.

Tensions over race issues are at an all time high? ROFL.

Go to bed.

 

[Fanu]

Tensions over race issues are at an all time high? ROFL.

Go to bed.

you are free to post any data to back up your claims - movements like BLM and Trump winning on account of immigration policy back up my argument
I posted data in hopes of a quality discussion instead of usual war room name calling and butthurt posters whose every argument revolves around "but BLM/muslims/trannies!!1 are bane of this country"

 

[nostradumbass]

blaming the left in your first sentence proves my point that bi-partisan politics focused on class/race divisions/inequality are further dividing/deteriorating the nation

bi·par·ti·san
bīˈpärdəzən/
adjective

1. of or involving the agreement or cooperation of two political parties that usually oppose each other's policies.

I'm sure you meant partisan politics.

I wrote an entire paragraph saying the country is socially divided, but really only if you treat yourself as a member of a group rather than an individual. This country was never and wasn't supposed to be a team game. The country is based on individual liberty, not group outcomes.

 

[HereticBD]

you are free to post any data to back up your claims - movements like BLM and Trump winning on account of immigration policy back up my argument

Yeah, we've never seen anything like BLM before...

How old are you?

I did so in hopes of a quality discussion instead of usual war room name calling and butthurt posters whose every argument revolves around "but BLM/muslims/trannies!!1 are bane of this country"

And you're free to do so. I'm just pointing out that your arguments are very short sighted, like one not remotely familiar with 20th century history would present.

 

[Fanu]

bi·par·ti·san
bīˈpärdəzən/
adjective

1. of or involving the agreement or cooperation of two political parties that usually oppose each other's policies.

I'm sure you meant partisan politics.

yes, english is not my native language
apologies for the confussion

I wrote an entire paragraph saying the country is socially divided, but really only if you treat yourself as a member of a group rather than an individual. This country was never and wasn't supposed to be a team game. The country is based on individual liberty, not group outcomes.

apparently lot of people in US treat themselves as a group if Trump election protest are anything to go by

 

[Natty Dread]

America is fine. This seems like an idea for a thread seiger would come up with to bash. hell be mad you made this thread first.

 

[Fanu]

Yeah, we've never seen anything like BLM before...

How old are you?

And you're free to do so. I'm just pointing out that your arguments are very short sighted, like one not remotely familiar with 20th century history would present.

I was saying tensions are at an all time high - not specifically tensions regarding only black population
yes, I am aware of what happened in the 50s and onwards regarding black population and that protests/movements then were at a larger scale

but today, you not only have issues with black population, but apparently mexicans, arabs and others as well which will only further escalate when whites become minority

 

[Shidlord]

lets take a look at stats that back this up:

http://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-39672093

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/25/technology/tech-versus-taboos-addiction/index.html




https://www.theguardian.com/society/ng-interactive/2016/may/25/opioid-epidemic-overdose-deaths-map


so you've got a nation of addicts (addicted to pain killers and other prescription medicine +hard drugs like heroin)


and you've got worlds most expensive healthcare (that apparently does little to help)

http://dpeaflcio.org/programs-publi...lth-care-system-an-international-perspective/

then there is increasing poverty and reduction of middle class

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...trump-mit-economist-peter-temin-a7694726.html




and your infrastructure is deteriorating

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/09/engineers-give-americas-infrastructure-a-near-failing-grade.html




and corporate tax evasion is at an all time high

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ho...-america-and-the-rest-of-the-world-2016-04-14




not to mention bi-partisan politics focused on class/race divisions/inequality further dividing the nation (also apparent here on sherdog with explosion of race/immigrant threads in last 2 or so years)


http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2016...nequality-blacks-and-whites-are-worlds-apart/




+ military budget and expenditures that is out of control

https://qz.com/935663/trumps-increa...most-as-big-as-russias-entire-defense-budget/

so is US fall imminent ? some already say China is at the top
whats your view on it ?

US = white now?

 

[AviatorShades]

The USA is a big big country. Overall it's in rapid decline but parts will continue to thrive while the larger body rots.