Crime Donald Trump Hush Money Fraud Trial

it's another deep state double standard and a whopper of a whataboutism coming in hot from bob gray! who could ever forget the time when biden and obama sexually assaulted a woman in a department store fitting room and then fled the country to avoid confronting their accusers and testifying at their civil trials in a he-said she-said ordeal?

happens all the time. better to be known as a rapist and a sexual predator than a bad golfer!

but don't you worry guys, i'm not a trumptard. i'm just going to perform olympic level mental gymnastics and twist myself into a pretzel just to try to defend or excuse every shitty little thing that the fraudy orange election-losing rapist does.
 
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I think theres obviously a double standard when Trump is involved, yes. I mean, we arent that far removed from the rape trial that you must know was a complete farce. If any woman had stood up and accused a previous president of rape 30 years prior and had no evidence whatsoever other than an accusation, it would have never gone as fas as it did with anyone except Trump. Obama wouldn't have sniffed a courtroom and you know it. The sexual assault allegation against Biden is much more credible, even if you argue that it isnt very credible as a whole, and I dont think anything should happen to Biden about it. I think most people would agree with me that Biden shouldnt be prosecuted. But many of those same people are perfectly fine with Trump being prosecuted for less. This is the kind of double standard Im talking about.

I didnt blink about 4,000 trials because it doesnt surprise me. Im not vouching for the mans character. Im saying people go crazy when its Trump. Look, lets be real. You dont really give a shit about Stormy Daniels and campaign money. You just dont. Several other people in the thread have said as much, even as theyre vocally critical of Trump. The people prosecuting Trump? They dont give a shit about paying off a porn star with campaign money either. Its because its Trump. People hate Trump. I dont necessarily blame people for hating Trump, but it means they theres a certain enjoyment from him getting some kind of comeuppance, even if it isnt actually earned (like the rape case). Or in this case being charged for something that really, truly, nobody gives much of a shit about unless its done by a person they really want to be charged with something.

I think "friendly with" is a bit disingenuous. I dont think he particular cares one way or another if he can make a profit off of somebody. You might argue that makes him "bad" because sometimes he'll deal with people with bad qualities. Id just argue that the only color he sees is green.


I do know about Georgia, thats why I brought up the trial. I thought you were talking about the leaks from last year, which I didnt spend much time looking into. Anyway, Im not going to sit and listen to the whole hour to make a decision about the blurb that we've already heard. Im sure youve talked about it with other people and I dont think the conversation is gonna get any new steam here. I feel like you probably think its a smoking gun that Trump wanted to find 11,000 fake votes or something. Me personally? I think Trump is completely delusional. I dont think he thinks he could fairly lose an election, his ego is far too big. I cant prove to anybody what Trump thinks, but thats my take. I think he really believes there are votes out there that have been kept from him or havent been counted properly. I cant prove any of this, this is just my take.

I've said from the beginning I don't really care about this trial, why should I? He's done so much worse and even if found guilty here it's just another fine, who cares? A lot of people are savoring the spectacle because Trump is garbage and this is petty humiliating for him

Trump was found guilty in that rape trial, so it doesn't sound that frivolous to me. Do you think Trump should just be allowed to do what he wants? If there was enough evidence to convict Biden I'd support that too without hesitation. Clinton was rightfully impeached for similar activity, was he singled out?

You're wrong about the double standard. Do you remember Al Franken? He was a pretty effective senator and Democrats pressured him to resign immediately. Contrast that with what Project Veritas and conservatives did with Roy Moore.

I'm Canadian and while liberal I'm obviously not a Democrat. I dislike Biden a lot more than you dislike Trump, even though Trump is much, much worse and Biden is orders of magnitude more competent.

Trump isn't being prosecuted because he's Republican, he's being prosecuted because he's crooked as fuck and doesn't think the law applies to him.

Slightly off topic, what do you think about Project 2025? That's what you could be voting for in the future and it scares the shit out of me.
 
i'm not a trumptard. i'm just going to perform olympic level mental gymnastics and twist myself into a pretzel just to try to defend or excuse every shitty little thing that the fraudy orange election-losing rapist does.

closeted trumpsters are hard to identify but he could be a centrist and a moderate. some of these fuckers are worse than the Nazis they enable.
 
I think theres obviously a double standard when Trump is involved, yes. I mean, we arent that far removed from the rape trial that you must know was a complete farce. If any woman had stood up and accused a previous president of rape 30 years prior and had no evidence whatsoever other than an accusation, it would have never gone as fas as it did with anyone except Trump. Obama wouldn't have sniffed a courtroom and you know it. The sexual assault allegation against Biden is much more credible, even if you argue that it isnt very credible as a whole, and I dont think anything should happen to Biden about it. I think most people would agree with me that Biden shouldnt be prosecuted. But many of those same people are perfectly fine with Trump being prosecuted for less. This is the kind of double standard Im talking about.

I didnt blink about 4,000 trials because it doesnt surprise me. Im not vouching for the mans character. Im saying people go crazy when its Trump. Look, lets be real. You dont really give a shit about Stormy Daniels and campaign money. You just dont. Several other people in the thread have said as much, even as theyre vocally critical of Trump. The people prosecuting Trump? They dont give a shit about paying off a porn star with campaign money either. Its because its Trump. People hate Trump. I dont necessarily blame people for hating Trump, but it means they theres a certain enjoyment from him getting some kind of comeuppance, even if it isnt actually earned (like the rape case). Or in this case being charged for something that really, truly, nobody gives much of a shit about unless its done by a person they really want to be charged with something.

I think "friendly with" is a bit disingenuous. I dont think he particular cares one way or another if he can make a profit off of somebody. You might argue that makes him "bad" because sometimes he'll deal with people with bad qualities. Id just argue that the only color he sees is green.


I do know about Georgia, thats why I brought up the trial. I thought you were talking about the leaks from last year, which I didnt spend much time looking into. Anyway, Im not going to sit and listen to the whole hour to make a decision about the blurb that we've already heard. Im sure youve talked about it with other people and I dont think the conversation is gonna get any new steam here. I feel like you probably think its a smoking gun that Trump wanted to find 11,000 fake votes or something. Me personally? I think Trump is completely delusional. I dont think he thinks he could fairly lose an election, his ego is far too big. I cant prove to anybody what Trump thinks, but thats my take. I think he really believes there are votes out there that have been kept from him or havent been counted properly. I cant prove any of this, this is just my take.
Hang on, what have I missed? Who's accused Biden of rape? Are you talking about showering with his kid? No one went apeshit at Bradley Cooper for that, lol. I was in my 40s before I saw my mum naked after I had to get her out of the bath and never did my dad. Nudity was frowned upon when really that's dopey. Beckham was taken to task when Victoria posted a pic of him kissing their daughter on the lips. My mum and dad used to kiss me on the lips all the time, it's a sweet natural thing to do.

Sherdog gonna Sherdog with the Carrol case, I've been here long enough to not be surprised.
 
theyre going to have hearings on motions? in a courtroom? and the trial is delayed from its may 17th start date when the devoted christian family man will still be in another trial? shocking.

what would be even more surprising is if this trial even kicks off before the election is over because of trumps pet judge stalling it out. what ever happened to the party of law and order? what ever happened to no president being above the law? last i checked you guys were busy chanting lock her up while reminding us just how serious of a crime it is to mishandle classified information, but i guess that stuff only applies to democrats.
Are you suggesting that the courts are sometimes corrupt?
 
It's pretty obvious what judge Cannon is doing and why.

You're parrotting a pretty low brow Trumpy philosophy here dude...do you really think "see everyone is corrupt if Cannon is corrupt" is a smart argument?
Is cannon holding the government to a high evidentiary standard corrupt?
 
I thought there was only 1 for all the trials

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Trump should be suing her any day now like E Jean Carrol sued his ass for lying.
That has as much a chance of happening as Trump going to Barton's graduation.

The thing I dont get is why did Trump Raw Dog Stormy. I mean who doesn't wrap it up when you going to have sex with a chick who has easily had as many dicks as Trump stiffed hard working American contractors.
Come on Trump, No condom for your two pump rendezvous with Stormy. Maybe Trump's dong is immune to diseases because it has built up a tolerance sitting is a shit filled diaper all its life.
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Obama waged an illegal war on Libya, Clinton ordered an illegal attack on Sudan and the Bush administration lied about WMDs and nothing happened to any of them. Whether or not Trump is a criminal is one thing, but that's not why they're going after him

Your country gives a pass to its presidents when they do evil, illegal shit for reasons of state, in pursuit of what they see as the US' national interest. They do it to presidents from both parties.

Your country does not give a pass to its presidents when they do illegal shit over private matters. That is why Nixon needed a pardon.

It is fucked up that you guys give them a pass for the public business crimes, but it is not a double standard to go after Trump for his crimes over private matters.

Let me help you with reality.

Harvard - Harris Poll dated April 24-25


Question:

Do you think the legal prosecutions of Donald Trump are fair and unrelated to politics, or do you think the Democrats today are engaged in lawfare — a campaign using the government and the legal system in biased ways to take out political opponents?

Key results:

A majority of 57 percent said they believe Democrats are engaged in “lawfare” against Trump, while 43 percent believe the prosecutions are both fair and apolitical.

Any pollster that would frame the question like that cannot be trusted as a source. It is a blatantly leading and creates a false dichotomy to bias the results of the answer. It takes what should be two separate questions and mashes them together to steer the results to what they want.

It is a more transparent and inelegant version of what is described here:




Have these people even read the Bible? At the time of the Sermon in the Mount, Paul was still Saul of Tarsus, and he never even met Jesus.

I think theres obviously a double standard when Trump is involved, yes. I mean, we arent that far removed from the rape trial that you must know was a complete farce. If any woman had stood up and accused a previous president of rape 30 years prior and had no evidence whatsoever other than an accusation, it would have never gone as fas as it did with anyone except Trump. Obama wouldn't have sniffed a courtroom and you know it.

Obama wouldn't have sniffed a court room because his character was beyond reproach on that front.

Everyone's first instinct when hearing that accusation about Trump will be to believe it, because that's the kind of scum that he is.
 
Your country gives a pass to its presidents when they do evil, illegal shit for reasons of state, in pursuit of what they see as the US' national interest. They do it to presidents from both parties.

Your country does not give a pass to its presidents when they do illegal shit over private matters. That is why Nixon needed a pardon.

It is fucked up that you guys give them a pass for the public business crimes, but it is not a double standard to go after Trump for his crimes over private matters.



Any pollster that would frame the question like that cannot be trusted as a source. It is a blatantly leading and creates a false dichotomy to bias the results of the answer. It takes what should be two separate questions and mashes them together to steer the results to what they want.

It is a more transparent and inelegant version of what is described here:




Have these people even read the Bible? At the time of the Sermon in the Mount, Paul was still Saul of Tarsus, and he never even met Jesus.



Obama wouldn't have sniffed a court room because his character was beyond reproach on that front.

Everyone's first instinct when hearing that accusation about Trump will be to believe it, because that's the kind of scum that he is.

That Yes, Prime Minister clip is brilliant--always loved that show. Indeed it's all in how the questions are asked. It would be great to see children taught about that in school so they can learn to wary of such things.
 
Trump should be suing her any day now like E Jean Carrol sued his ass for lying.
That has as much a chance of happening as Trump going to Barton's graduation.

The thing I dont get is why did Trump Raw Dog Stormy. I mean who doesn't wrap it up when you going to have sex with a chick who has easily had as many dicks as Trump stiffed hard working American contractors.
Come on Trump, No condom for your two pump rendezvous with Stormy. Maybe Trump's dong is immune to diseases because it has built up a tolerance sitting is a shit filled diaper all its life.
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He stared directly at the eclipse, safety isn't a favourite pastime of his.
 
I've said from the beginning I don't really care about this trial, why should I? He's done so much worse and even if found guilty here it's just another fine, who cares? A lot of people are savoring the spectacle because Trump is garbage and this is petty humiliating for him

Trump was found guilty in that rape trial, so it doesn't sound that frivolous to me. Do you think Trump should just be allowed to do what he wants? If there was enough evidence to convict Biden I'd support that too without hesitation. Clinton was rightfully impeached for similar activity, was he singled out?

You're wrong about the double standard. Do you remember Al Franken? He was a pretty effective senator and Democrats pressured him to resign immediately. Contrast that with what Project Veritas and conservatives did with Roy Moore.

I'm Canadian and while liberal I'm obviously not a Democrat. I dislike Biden a lot more than you dislike Trump, even though Trump is much, much worse and Biden is orders of magnitude more competent.

Trump isn't being prosecuted because he's Republican, he's being prosecuted because he's crooked as fuck and doesn't think the law applies to him.

Slightly off topic, what do you think about Project 2025? That's what you could be voting for in the future and it scares the shit out of me.

I know you dont care, thats my point. People only care because its Trump.

He was found liable, not guilty. Yet here we are in a thread full of people saying hes guilty of rape and calling him a rapist, even though theyd never argue that the evidence presented in the trial should be enough to find anyone guilty of rape. Because Trump Standard. Why would reality matter? But that verdict is also my point. A woman stood up and accused an ex-president of rape, had no evidence, no witnesses and just a story that the accused denied. Yet that was enough for the media to prop it up 24/7 and develop into a court case that saw national attention. Thats literally exactly my point. No other president would have even seen the courtroom, much less been found liable. Because Trump. I mean, I remember you being in the thread so I know you were at least passably familiar with the trial. There was literally zero evidence. There was an accusation. And that was it. And he was found liable. Because Trump. If the trial had been in Texas instead of New York, it would have been laughed out of court. If people took their hatred out of it for a second and simply analyze the parts, you can see how this is a very troubling development. An ex-president can be found civilly liable for a crime based on an accusation without evidence. What do you think that means for everyone else?

I remember some hubbub about Franken, yeah. But it doesnt matter much. Im not saying nothing ever happens to anyone else on one side or another. I dont think Trump is being prosecuted for being Republican. I think hes being prosecuted because hes Trump. Although, being fair, he does put a big, giant target on himself.
 
Hang on, what have I missed? Who's accused Biden of rape? Are you talking about showering with his kid? No one went apeshit at Bradley Cooper for that, lol. I was in my 40s before I saw my mum naked after I had to get her out of the bath and never did my dad. Nudity was frowned upon when really that's dopey. Beckham was taken to task when Victoria posted a pic of him kissing their daughter on the lips. My mum and dad used to kiss me on the lips all the time, it's a sweet natural thing to do.

Sherdog gonna Sherdog with the Carrol case, I've been here long enough to not be surprised.

There was an accusation by a woman named Tara Reade. Again, I dont think anything should happen to Biden for it and Im not gonna assume that its true. But it has more merit than the Trump accusation because there was actually people at the time that can corroborate that she said it happened.
 
An ex-president can be found civilly liable for a crime based on an accusation without evidence. What do you think that means for everyone else?
Everyone else would probably show up and defend themselves if they were innocent.

In this case the jury had the victim and witnesses who corroborated her story, as well as some other women who claimed that Trump assaulted them, all giving testimony under oath. And on the other hand, they had a defendant who hid from them. In a case where “more likely than not” is the threshold, the decision was unanimous. Hard to blame them.
 
I know you dont care, thats my point. People only care because its Trump.

He was found liable, not guilty. Yet here we are in a thread full of people saying hes guilty of rape and calling him a rapist,

because he is a rapist. the fraudy orange election-losing rapist is an adjudicated rapist and a sexual predator. zesto molesto was found liable for sexual battery in a court of law. i can call molestini cheetolini a rapist and a sexual predator all i want and there ain't nothing that you or anybody can do about it other than get your precious little fee-fee's hurt. you know why? because donald trump is a rapist.


sure you're still carrying water for a fraudster and rapist and doing the dance while thinking you're some kind of troll and nobody can ever see through this disingenuous act of yous, but hey, you be you.

"you didn't vote for trump" is the best you can come up with to excuse such actions? well i didn't vote for orange cosby either, and neither did over 81 million registered voters. but the only difference between you and all of those other people is that all of those other people aren't performing olympic level mental gymnastics to try to defend a fraudster and rapist who has stolen from children with cancer, cheated on every wife he's ever had, and tells whores from the gangbang videos that they remind him of his daughter right before he fucked them.

yeah thats right. keep championing for a fraudy con artist, a rapist, and a pig while you come up with the chuddiest whataboutisms and all of your deep state pizzagate fantasies of double standards and all that. it's everybody else who has drank the kool aid and has now wound up morally bankrupt and simping for a bunch of fraudsters and rapists. you know what they say, better a rapist than a bad golfer!
 
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There was an accusation by a woman named Tara Reade. Again, I dont think anything should happen to Biden for it and Im not gonna assume that its true. But it has more merit than the Trump accusation because there was actually people at the time that can corroborate that she said it happened.
You are going to have to link me here.
 
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